tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post8371426685246607148..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: inglid ja deemonidGiustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-59807492891367090872009-06-15T19:43:42.381+03:002009-06-15T19:43:42.381+03:00Well, they have very antirussian language policy v...Well, they have very antirussian language policy views. There are constant attempts to destroy system of Russian education. And the manner Reform resolved Monument crisis was also very irresponsible, both in rethorics and in actions. And Pro Patria is openly Estonian nationalist party, so their views are pretty clear. <br /> They don't understand that assimilation policy will never succeed. Realistic goal is to integrate citizens with Russian ethnic identity in Estonian society, and efforts in this direction were partially successfull(the use of Estonian language has clearly increased).fandaalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01438394540103978065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-61202043269431563252009-06-15T18:39:07.239+03:002009-06-15T18:39:07.239+03:00I'm curious about your take on the topic, fand...I'm curious about your take on the topic, fandaal, since you are a Russian Estonian. Why do you say both Pro Patria and Reform have shown anti-Russian or xenophobic attitudes? What have they done?Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-2759990993573924912009-06-12T17:17:10.178+03:002009-06-12T17:17:10.178+03:00Well, I am one of those Estonian Russians) But sur...Well, I am one of those Estonian Russians) But surprise, I am a member of Social Democratic Party.<br />The reason I don't vote for Kesk is that I don't see any real results from them in supporting Russian education and Russian language opportunities in Estonia. And Kesk also has some connections with disgusting FSB regime in Russia, and is generally non-European and corrupted political force.<br />One of the problems of Estonian political landscape is that there are very few parties to vote for, especially if you are Russian.<br />A free market proponent should choose between Pro Patria and Reform, and they have both shown very negative and xenophobic attitude to us.fandaalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01438394540103978065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-78004852217311668452009-06-11T21:04:56.202+03:002009-06-11T21:04:56.202+03:00Aside from that Zhdanoka vs. Latvia case in which ...Aside from that Zhdanoka vs. Latvia case in which the court ruling implied that Latvia indeed had been occupied, I don't know much about what she does in the EP. Is she one of those constantly agitating for Russians' rights?Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-30240817179384963772009-06-11T18:37:05.765+03:002009-06-11T18:37:05.765+03:00By the way: Latvia sent Tatjana Zhdanoka back to B...By the way: Latvia sent Tatjana Zhdanoka back to Brussels (and Luxembourg). Lithuania sent Viktor Uspaskih and Finland sent Timo Soini. The Estonian results are looking quite good in this light.plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-39082382014071835362009-06-11T18:34:27.490+03:002009-06-11T18:34:27.490+03:00What does "Etkar" do that wins so much a...<i>What does "Etkar" do that wins so much approval from the Russian-speaking people in Estonia? Does he speak Russian?</i><br /><br />He does, but so do Laar and Ansip. <br /><br /><br /> Is he campaigning for immediate citizenship to all Russian-speaking people? What's his take on Estonia-Russia relations?<br /><br /><i>What does "Etkar" do that wins so much approval from the Russian-speaking people in Estonia? Does he speak Russian? Is he campaigning for immediate citizenship to all Russian-speaking people? What's his take on Estonia-Russia relations?</i><br /><br />That they could be better. Anyway, the centrists are the only major party that has considerable numbers of non-Estonian members, including in parliament. It's worth mentioning here that they also have more women in their leadership than any other party... so although I hate to say that, they look the most inclusive.plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-91850753488679050442009-06-11T11:40:24.076+03:002009-06-11T11:40:24.076+03:00What does "Etkar" do that wins so much a...What does "Etkar" do that wins so much approval from the Russian-speaking people in Estonia? Does he speak Russian? Is he campaigning for immediate citizenship to all Russian-speaking people? What's his take on Estonia-Russia relations?<br /><br />Sorry to ask so many questions -- I'm just a curious outsider.Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-63529131340147813072009-06-11T08:31:47.698+03:002009-06-11T08:31:47.698+03:00Talking about Etkar :), last week I came out of th...Talking about Etkar :), last week I came out of the shopping centre and just outside the doors were that Edgarjugend, couple of russian boys and girl of age 18 or so, Keskerakond jackets on with some papers in their hands and approached me and said: Zdrastvuite, Tere (in both languages though I look very much like one genuine west-estonian), continued in estonian and asked "do you LIKE Edgar- kas teile meeldib Edgar". I wanted to laugh and ask if I look like I could, but instead of that just blurted Nooooooo and laughed all the way to home. Some sort of popularity poll :D?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04935901565998236413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-53502951238473005092009-06-11T07:14:07.792+03:002009-06-11T07:14:07.792+03:00I think the fact that he is wearing a Charlie Brow...I think the fact that he is wearing a Charlie Brown shirt is a definite plus. Charlie Brown for European Parliament!:<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38srxvt6qE" rel="nofollow">analyzed</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-30626059987445381052009-06-10T13:44:52.485+03:002009-06-10T13:44:52.485+03:00Doesn't seem like a very good implementation o...<i>Doesn't seem like a very good implementation of democracy to me</i><br /><br />It's because the Russkies only know the word <b>Etkar</b>. You say "politics" and they think "Etkar". You try to debate it and they probably remember what Etkar has said on it. Thus it's logical that Etkar would run too... or well, not run. But his face has to be on the picture to give the general anti-Estonian seal of approval.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076822279861048442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-2344585742784192662009-06-10T11:41:35.769+03:002009-06-10T11:41:35.769+03:00Andres Tarand´s wife Mari Tarand and Jaagup Kreems...Andres Tarand´s wife Mari Tarand and Jaagup Kreems mother Anni Kreem are sisters and Juhan Viiding was their brother :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04935901565998236413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-6759669778957757422009-06-10T11:03:05.345+03:002009-06-10T11:03:05.345+03:00I think the elections were indeed sort of a protes...I think the elections were indeed sort of a protest against the parties in power (though Reform did get a seat), which is not surprising given the current state of the government and economy.<br /><br />The problem I have with how the elections are run is that the parties put on the ballot their most popular names (i.e. Edgar Savisaar) with no intention that the person will actually go to serve in the job you are electing them for. Edgar Savisaar indicated before the election that if he was elected, he wouldn't be going to Brussels so they'd find someone else to take his place. So... why run if you don't plan to serve?<br /><br />Even more flawed is that his replacement is someone who was also on the ballot (Vilja) who didn't earn enough votes to win... but now she "wins" anyway by taking Edgar's place.<br /><br />Doesn't seem like a very good implementation of democracy to me, if you the people you vote to represent you don't in fact end up representing you.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16666812202305896656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-40306328428478562812009-06-10T02:12:03.591+03:002009-06-10T02:12:03.591+03:00Martasmimi ütles...
...your daughters are America...Martasmimi ütles... <br />...your daughters are American citizens as well.Martasmimihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00904404170845733669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-66785581685354224902009-06-09T14:43:24.251+03:002009-06-09T14:43:24.251+03:00dammit, I knew a time would come when not research...dammit, I knew a time would come when not researching every single factoid in my comment would come and bite me in the backside.<br /><br />sorry Heiki!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15195520420952725687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-8487468974523817732009-06-09T14:29:42.772+03:002009-06-09T14:29:42.772+03:00I've met Heiki as well. And his wife. My favor...I've met Heiki as well. And his wife. My favorite Ahonen dissident story is about how they would send home photos of Swedish supermarkets in the 80s (they were in exile in Stockhom). I can imagine how people's eyes would light up looking at the never-ending corridors of cereal boxes!Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-27504954317296889832009-06-09T14:23:24.843+03:002009-06-09T14:23:24.843+03:00Now wait a second -- Indrek Tarand runs the Laidon...Now wait a second -- Indrek Tarand runs the Laidoner Museum in Viimsi.<br /><br />Heiki Ahonen runs, created etc., the Museum of Occupations. Although Indrek is surely an OK guy from a solid, semi-dynastic Estonian family, Heiki was a freedom fighter and patriot on a whole 'nother level, doing time in Siberia.Kristopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01394211030848077681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-85348749705571880442009-06-09T13:02:50.723+03:002009-06-09T13:02:50.723+03:00But they only got about 85 000 votes back then... ...<i>But they only got about 85 000 votes back then... Tarand had some 100 000 votes.</i><br /><br />Well, the activity back then was under 25% IIRC. Now it was similar to 43%. So Ilves actually got 1/3 of the vote whereas Tarand got 1/4 of it now.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076822279861048442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-8220984179571713472009-06-09T11:50:11.153+03:002009-06-09T11:50:11.153+03:00[i]didn't KESK send half of the MEP'S last...[i]didn't KESK send half of the MEP'S last time?[/i]<br /><br />No, it was social democrats, thanks to the current president Ilves who was running for EP. But they only got about 85 000 votes back then... Tarand had some 100 000 votes.<br /><br /><br />[i]Why, he even beat Kristina Ojuland, the dancing liberal.[/i]<br /><br />Does anybody actually like the dancing liberal? I mean, anybody? I think that's why she was voted out of Estonia... Good riddance anyway.plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-68369268916530823442009-06-09T11:26:23.843+03:002009-06-09T11:26:23.843+03:00After watching Europarliament elections for 30 yea...After watching Europarliament elections for 30 years now, I think I am about to give up trying to understand them. It seems that citizens vote so differently in E- elections than national elections, that they must have radically different ideas as to what they are doing, perhaps sending a protest, or indulging a personal phantasy, thinking about playing another role in an alternate universe. didn't KESK send half of the MEP'S last time? Does anyone expect UKIP to beat labour in the next British election? Do Estonians want a dancing revolution next? Please explain to an ignorant American what is going on.Jim Hasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09827035709880926814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-51568895348593081762009-06-09T10:17:41.967+03:002009-06-09T10:17:41.967+03:00ehm... Tarand also danced, in the first season and...ehm... Tarand also danced, in the first season and was paired with Kaisa Oja. he was voted out in the first show though.<br /><br />He runs the Ocupation Museum (or ran, at least, last I heard) and is rather proud of his army-career, which of course is mandatory for most males in Estonia, it's just that some people enjoy it more ;) and he's a historian like Meri, like Laar, like Lukas, Kelam and even Savisaar.<br /><br />His father is Andres Tarand who is in the current Europarliament and Indrek Tarand used a lot of his father's projects as an example of what he could do. Besides, Andres Tarand had said that he wouldn't be running again so maybe Indrek got some of his votes from there as well. If I remember correctly, the Tarand clan also "includes" Juhan Viiding and Jaagup Kreem - not that THAT would influence a lot of people's votes, it's just to give an overview of just how much in the centre of Estonian intellectual/creative elite he is.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15195520420952725687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-43828957042993906622009-06-09T08:49:20.582+03:002009-06-09T08:49:20.582+03:00I forgot to mention that Tarand named his son Juli...I forgot to mention that Tarand named his son Julius. The guy's a patriot.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-40969776587844832002009-06-09T08:21:57.580+03:002009-06-09T08:21:57.580+03:00I like your take on the candidates! I especially t...I like your take on the candidates! I especially think you're right in not mentioning whatever it is they promised they would do (is the Ida Virumaa candidate a pro-Russian rights activist?): as you point out, that's not how people chose candidates after all.<br /><br />I've lived for over 6 years in the Netherlands, so, despite being Brazilian, I was awarded the right to vote in local elections -- I chose the GroenLinks candidate (better for foreign-born citizens).Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.com