tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post4832141835039028623..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: dead parrotGiustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-60029274618586175992010-02-11T23:32:18.859+02:002010-02-11T23:32:18.859+02:00Thanks for this post. We need people like you read...Thanks for this post. We need people like you reading and answering these articles.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890918218434659257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-30830510216227691802010-01-21T18:01:43.459+02:002010-01-21T18:01:43.459+02:00He should continue to explain that to restore hist...He should continue to explain that to restore historically correct status quo ante Finland should be reunited with Russia ASAP.Perttihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11485077713432370854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-13360533717656907352009-12-25T11:12:43.266+02:002009-12-25T11:12:43.266+02:00What about native americans? Why shouldn't the...<i>What about native americans? Why shouldn't they have their own state(s)? European man did a much better job in beating them into submission than the Russians or Teutonic knights ever managed to do with the Estonians.</i><br /><br />Many long tedious books could be written in response to that question. Best not to get me started.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-66590587248657812612009-12-22T11:52:49.934+02:002009-12-22T11:52:49.934+02:00Tymen - partly because "Native American"...Tymen - partly because "Native American" is far too much of a catch-all term.<br /><br />It makes about as much sense as saying "Africa should be given to the Africans". Well, which Africans? What tribe gets what land? It's all the more complicated by the nomadic nature of a lot of tribes.<br /><br />That kind of pre-metallurgical hunter-gatherer society doesn't have room for it in the modern world, and it's always seemed to me that the Native American "movement" has always been aimed more at the preservation of this way of life than the self-determination and nationhood of any particular ethnic group.<br /><br />This may also have to do with the fact that Canada and the US are not ethnic states in the sense that Russia and Estonia are.<br /><br />Anyway, I just don't think one can draw too many parallels between the two. One is literally a clash of civilizations, the other more of a "might makes right" philosophy towards the pecking order of ethnic nation states.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08611264962112723699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-12922592505588482712009-12-17T23:00:43.670+02:002009-12-17T23:00:43.670+02:00Don't regret writing Dead Parrot. Very necessa...Don't regret writing Dead Parrot. Very necessary and clear analysis. I hope you sent it to Laughalot.Kristopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01394211030848077681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-25109793369900484032009-12-17T14:59:51.855+02:002009-12-17T14:59:51.855+02:00Indeed, why not, Tymen?
Trying hard not to turn th...Indeed, why not, Tymen?<br />Trying hard not to turn this into a pissing contest I must point out that the difference between the levels of developement where bigger between the American natives and the white men, therefore the native's predicament was also greater.Rainerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160091690005391250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-35890805019676770212009-12-17T11:56:27.801+02:002009-12-17T11:56:27.801+02:00What about native americans? Why shouldn't the...What about native americans? Why shouldn't they have their own state(s)? European man did a much better job in beating them into submission than the Russians or Teutonic knights ever managed to do with the Estonians.Tymen Ferronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09205299776754179946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-40975253145948862842009-12-16T21:51:16.212+02:002009-12-16T21:51:16.212+02:00Good point, Unigolyn.
"Russification of thes...Good point, Unigolyn.<br /><br />"Russification of these peripheral upstarts was nothing more than Russia carrying the White Man's Burden."<br /><br />Therein lie an interesting paradox - the peripheral upstarts in question were the carriers of Western culture, two of them even Protestant, which should touch the soul strings of even the most hardened jingoists. White Man's Burden or not, what ever happened to the East is East...?Rainerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160091690005391250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-10019805980525392882009-12-15T09:45:04.512+02:002009-12-15T09:45:04.512+02:00"what would a conservative British journalist..."what would a conservative British journalist otherwise hope to achieve by badmouthing the three little Baltic countries?"<br /><br />Since he's a conservative, the standard "useful idiot" soviet sympathizing pinko journo explanation doesn't apply.<br /><br />One theory (apart from economic motivations) would be a British conservative's proclivity to sympathize with other fallen empires. Russification of these peripheral upstarts was nothing more than Russia carrying the White Man's Burden.<br /><br />Accepting the idea of indigenous ethnic groups having a right to self-determination on their ancestral lands would just lead to the sort of horrid nationalist thinking that would further erode Britain. If we can have a free Eesti, why not a free Cymru and a free Alba?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08611264962112723699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-23187836919030188942009-12-11T11:19:45.230+02:002009-12-11T11:19:45.230+02:00Well, making this bigger than it is would be one u...Well, making this bigger than it is would be one useful trick, saying that this straight from the Kremlin. <br />And indeed this might be. The names at the end of the story are famous former politicians turned Kremlin representatives in both official and "non-governmental" capacity, several famous ones - in Russia - on Moscow payroll. Don't know anything about French professor though.Estonia in World Media (Rus)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13791711276337826586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-42601794183720502072009-12-10T23:42:00.502+02:002009-12-10T23:42:00.502+02:00Surely this must be a follow-up to a previous arti...Surely this must be a follow-up to a previous article titled "The Russification of the Baltics Served a Geopolitical Purpose"? <br />Admittedly I am having some trouble finding it in his back catalogue.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03170088697872758513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-52041993904547349822009-12-10T22:49:21.577+02:002009-12-10T22:49:21.577+02:00It's almost as if Laughland needed a last-minu...It's almost as if Laughland needed a last-minute ranting-styled article, opened up a Russian school history textbook and performed a number of copy and pastes. <br /><br />It'd be interesting to hear his take on the foundation of St. Petersburg - how it was just an 'empty swamp' before the glorious Peter I strode forth, freed it from the Swedes and built his mini-European play city there. <br /><br />(This is where a good Eddie Izzard reference about American colonialists and the Native Americans comes in to complement the Monty Python: "There's nobody here! .. excuse me .. Yes. A land empty of human existen- who the f### are these guys?")Адамhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18082097634141658044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-66649907652830182452009-12-10T03:36:38.708+02:002009-12-10T03:36:38.708+02:00I'm always interested in hearing news from the...I'm always interested in hearing news from the Russian front wherever it may be. So thanks for writing about it.Troels-Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16352302240715963641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-27626815379545322382009-12-09T23:32:46.593+02:002009-12-09T23:32:46.593+02:00No, it's not paranoia, it's rather an unde...No, it's not paranoia, it's rather an understandable fear (by some) based on past experiences and part of the construction of one's own national identity.<br /><br />Ma saan aru aga ma ei nõustu sellega. :-)Julien Frischhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18167141111642456560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-81380040482086809862009-12-09T23:25:54.402+02:002009-12-09T23:25:54.402+02:00and I think the Baltic perspective usually is over...<i>and I think the Baltic perspective usually is overly anti-Russian and too nationalistic.</i><br /><br />Just because we're paranoid...antyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06567309109757565293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-70804601357743835362009-12-09T19:53:37.270+02:002009-12-09T19:53:37.270+02:00I think the Baltic perspective usually is overly a...<i>I think the Baltic perspective usually is overly anti-Russian and too nationalistic.</i><br /><br />There are several different perspectives, at least in Estonia. The political class is not monolithic. Some views are presented as "the Estonian view," but they are not. Most people agree that what happened in 1940 was not legitimate, but that's not saying much, as most people familiar with the story agree that what happened was illegitimate, period.<br /><br />Contrast with that Russia, where there is one view, United Russia's view. They are basically picking fights with some of Estonia's more conservative politicians, or trying to marginalize them. Why would they then dispatch their representatives to Edgar Savisaar's party congress to give him their blessing?Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-17207798498634988912009-12-09T18:13:24.548+02:002009-12-09T18:13:24.548+02:00I see how tiresome and annoying it is to repeat al...I see how tiresome and annoying it is to repeat already proved and said facts just because some malicious people are ready to repeat their lies tirelessly. Thanks for writing it, though, Justin.<br />Find the book by <b>A. E. Senn Lithuania 1940: Revolution from Above.</b> Amsterdam: Rodopi, 2007 about the occupation of Lithuania. He was very careful with his statements, but the book still shows were were the Soviet lies, the Soviet aggression and occupation.<br /><br />It is true that they made poets and writers to stand as ardent communist politicians in Lithuania as well. It is true that there were not many commies in Lithuania, etc.Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996480170809238457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-64256794377553086722009-12-09T17:22:27.596+02:002009-12-09T17:22:27.596+02:00Ma olen ka loe seda artikklid, and I also thought ...Ma olen ka loe seda artikklid, and I also thought about commenting, but it was too obviously one-sided that I thought it wasn't worth the effort.<br /><br />So thanks for doing it.<br /><br />Although I don't think there is a final right or wrong and I think the Baltic perspective usually is overly anti-Russian and too nationalistic.<br /><br />In the end, it is more about the question what the implications of each side of the story are today.Julien Frischhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18167141111642456560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-20640576238521067182009-12-09T11:22:48.817+02:002009-12-09T11:22:48.817+02:00Thing is, though, Russia's rewriting everyone&...Thing is, though, Russia's rewriting everyone's history:<br /><br />http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article6937923.ece<br /><br />apparently:<br /><br /><i>The author goes on to make an extraordinary claim. He cites two speeches made in 1941 by Harry Truman, then a senator, and Winston Churchill, and summarises Western policy in 1941: “All these plans were essentially a continuation of the appeasement policy that the Western powers started in the prewar years.” </i><br /><br />Which is a strange version of history. It seems the battle of Britain didn't happen. I wonder why all the building outside my window are post-war?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14980553674191606015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-17951460256915455572009-12-09T10:12:43.714+02:002009-12-09T10:12:43.714+02:00Doesn´t it sound like the long arm of the Kremlin ...Doesn´t it sound like the long arm of the Kremlin propaganda mill is reaching Brussels via England?<br /><br />The evident question is - what would a conservative British journalist otherwise hope to achieve by badmouthing the three little Baltic countries?<br /><br />What an unfortunate name is ´Laughland´ - possibly he´s a Russian planted in England?viimneliivlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17658164527165429943noreply@blogger.com