tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post4024013173771967250..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: No more twisting in the wind ...Giustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-2531784133921230312007-11-06T06:05:00.000+02:002007-11-06T06:05:00.000+02:00How is Bill Gates connected with this story, thoug...How is Bill Gates connected with this story, though, and what happened to his glasses? I'm referring to the photo on the original post.John Menzieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17065568311956571575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-59693104451643256962007-11-02T19:37:00.000+02:002007-11-02T19:37:00.000+02:00But anyway, you are right that the West too does n...But anyway, you are right that the West too does not act rationally in many ways - take the Kascinscky brothers. When the Estonian government, under pressure from the IRL members, said "no", I must admit that I disliked the decision, thinking it would be perceived as a clear prove that the Estonians did not have a pragmatic approach (after all, it was just a survey). But I think they have reasons to oppose the project.Juan Manuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997278614759180471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-81130628083101241012007-11-02T19:05:00.000+02:002007-11-02T19:05:00.000+02:00And were do the Poles get there gas from, if not f...And were do the Poles get there gas from, if not from gas pipelines that come all the way from Siberia to Frankfurt? (I am just asking, I don't know if there is another way for them to get their gas)Juan Manuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997278614759180471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-69557060032307073602007-11-02T10:40:00.000+02:002007-11-02T10:40:00.000+02:00I don't think it's just the irrational Poles, Andy...I don't think it's just the irrational Poles, Andyk. It's all the Baltic Sea countries except Russia and Germany.<BR/><BR/>But an interesting point is raised. How will the Tusk government in Poland react to this? There are also elections in Denmark soon. The pipe will also be laid in Danish territorial waters. What will an emboldened Rasmussen say?Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-85211713798071621262007-11-02T02:49:00.000+02:002007-11-02T02:49:00.000+02:00No, building pipelines requiring the least number ...No, building pipelines requiring the least number of countries possible makes perfect business sense. They did want to build another pipeline through Poland about 5-7 years ago. But then chest-thumping Polish politicians proclaimed they would not let their sovereignty be impinged with pipelines and fibreoptic "spy cables". Now they flip out over a new "Molotov-Ribbentrop pact". So who's acting irrationally?<BR/><BR/>http://www.gasandoil.com/GOC/news/nte20689.htmSo?https://www.blogger.com/profile/08685766312994525903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-60484222075815330292007-11-02T02:47:00.000+02:002007-11-02T02:47:00.000+02:00Autor on selle kommentaari eemaldanud.So?https://www.blogger.com/profile/08685766312994525903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-38081603283206907602007-11-01T12:07:00.000+02:002007-11-01T12:07:00.000+02:00One of the reasons why Russians (Russians in gener...One of the reasons why Russians (Russians in general, not just a few guys) are not richer is that they don't think in a way that makes economic sense. Back in the good old days of the Soviet Union they sold cheap oil to buy expensive sugar, they made stupid deals in foreign trade just to expand their "influence" and now they have been 15 years paying debts.<BR/><BR/>The only reason why the are laying a pipeline under the Baltic sea is to annoy their neighbors. Baltic countries will not be able to buy that gas, they will not get any transit fees and theoretically they could be left without gas in December while Putin and Angie go to the sauna in Berlin. <BR/><BR/>So they are investing in a project that is much more expensive than it should be just to annoy their neighbors. It would be great for the Russians themselves if other countries team up to prevent them from throwing their own money to the Baltic sea.Juan Manuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997278614759180471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-65127590193733552862007-11-01T11:41:00.000+02:002007-11-01T11:41:00.000+02:00Of course, you always have to rely on telepathy to...Of course, you always have to rely on telepathy to discover the real attitude of official Finland to Russian policies. It won't be said aloud - but I would guess that they fervently hope that this project would get torpedoed, and are simultanously absolutely determined not to be seen openly torpedoing it. Not very principled, no, but the world seems to be working on pretty Macchiavellian lines anyway. Of which this shameless German solo gambit is a perfect example.stockholm slenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16909107517362691387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-37486636686422904062007-11-01T11:01:00.000+02:002007-11-01T11:01:00.000+02:00And(!) Hallberg is concerned about the possible in...<I>And(!) Hallberg is concerned about the possible increase of german military presence in the Baltic Sea.</I><BR/><BR/>:-D The Swedish politicians are loonies, though admittedly loonies with principles. What on earth is that Hallberg-guy afraid of, a retaliatory attack by Holy Roman Empire?plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-86303799733058810732007-11-01T03:12:00.000+02:002007-11-01T03:12:00.000+02:00Right, it is neither a controversy Estonia v Russi...Right, it is neither a controversy Estonia v Russia only, nor Eesti vs. Nord Stream as consequence of the pipeline plans.<BR/><BR/>Here are some points made in a debate in Sweden:<BR/><BR/>'Därefter skenade debatten i väg på ett långt sidospår som gällde den planerade gasledningen från Ryssland till Tyskland. Olle Schmidt hänvisade till sina baltiska kolleger i EU-parlamentet och var starkt kritisk till gasledningen.'<BR/><BR/>Olle Schmidt agrees with the view of his baltic collegues in the EU-Parliament.<BR/><BR/>'Kristian Gerner ansåg att gasledningen är farlig därför att den ger Ryssland en bra förevändning att starkt utöka sin militära närvaro i Östersjön.<BR/><BR/>Gerner is concerned about the possible increase of military presence of Russia in the Baltic Sea.<BR/><BR/>'Thomas Hallberg undrade varför man inte lika gärna kan oroa sig för ökad tysk militär närvaro, men Olle Schmidt menade att Tyskland inte räknas eftersom det ingår i EU.'<BR/><BR/>And(!) Hallberg is concerned about the possible increase of german military presence in the Baltic Sea.<BR/><BR/>[Sweden is not member of NATO]<BR/><BR/>'Mest balanserat resonerade Vladislav Savić som påpekade att Östersjön fram tills ganska nyligen militärt dominerats av Warszawa-pakten, och nu förvandlats till ett Nato-hav.'<BR/><BR/>Savic is concerned about the swift of one military pact, once Warszawa pact, to another one: NATO, in the Baltic Sea.<BR/><BR/>'Han påpekade också att det är i Ryssland energitillgångarna finns, och det finns inte mycket man kan göra åt den saken.'<BR/><BR/>This debate was summarized by <A HREF="http://www.kniivila.net/?p=320" REL="nofollow">diVERse</A><BR/>The post called: <A HREF="http://www.kniivila.net/?p=320" REL="nofollow">Vem bryr sig om Ryssland ?</A>,a discussion of the Publicistklubben in Malmö Teater on Monday.Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-77222446705446736072007-11-01T00:18:00.000+02:002007-11-01T00:18:00.000+02:00with just about every feature of the project again...with just about every feature of the project against the national interest, i find hard to believe that a company could be so short sighted as to expect the government to allow them a survey.<BR/><BR/>but then i remember the entire project is a cynical exercise in non-transparent bilateralism, rather than something that's going to make a difference to european (not just germany's) gas supplies.klxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02756387772020517484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-88053036589374863912007-10-31T20:29:00.000+02:002007-10-31T20:29:00.000+02:00Also, the opportunity exists for Russia to deploy ...Also, the opportunity exists for Russia to deploy its naval forces in the Baltic to "guard the welding of the pipes." <BR/><BR/>What a great way to put military ships off the coast of countries that don't see things your way. Think there is a statement in that?<BR/><BR/>Hmmm. Even Nordstream doesn't see the need for that according the the Helsingin Sanomat. <BR/><BR/>But I don't put much faith in the HS as they tend to tow the Finnish <BR/>line of pressing ones lips against Putins' asshole.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108695780291232809noreply@blogger.com