tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post9204402996965054734..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: tormentedGiustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-74862848962477941422011-08-06T01:11:59.140+02:002011-08-06T01:11:59.140+02:00The Holocaust is something far more horrible than ...The Holocaust is something far more horrible than any other war crime I can think of. As a child I was exposed to the images of the killing in former Yugoslavia, with people being shot one after the other, women starving in KZs, etc. But the Holocaust is something more complex, more organized.<br /><br />I think going to Auschwitz is not a bad idea in order to better understand this part of our history. You can visit Krakow, which is very nice, see the empty synagogues in the Kazimierz district, and make a trip to Auszwitz and Birkenau. But I would not take the children with me, I have friends who were traumatized because they visited KZ's in their childhood.JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692648576374420461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1636878275052203192011-07-26T20:06:17.612+02:002011-07-26T20:06:17.612+02:00Why on earth should daughter apologize for father&...Why on earth should daughter apologize for father's deeds? That's not how it works, especially not in modern Estonia (thank God for that).plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-48806527975764523582011-07-26T19:45:16.550+02:002011-07-26T19:45:16.550+02:00I'm still waiting for Alla Jakobson to ask for...I'm still waiting for Alla Jakobson to ask for forgiveness for her father's murders. Her father, Idel Jakobson, was personally responsible for signing the death sentences for some 56 Estonians, in addition to being complicit in the transfer of dozens of Estonians to the outer reaches of the USSR. He was accused by the Estonian court of crimes against humanity in 1996, but the trial was terminated because the Estonian court decided he was too old to stand trial. (Has that ever happened when someone was accused of crimes against the Jews?) He lived another ten years in the bosom of his family, including his daughter Alla Jakobsonm, for another ten years. <br /><br />The Germans are asking for forgiveness left and right, but Alla Jakobson continues to blame the Estonians. <br /><br />It's not the Muslims that Estonia should fear, but the likes of emigrants like Alla Jakobson and her father, Idel Jakobson.kassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13553548124263084987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-29457152749524062802011-07-24T20:49:11.126+02:002011-07-24T20:49:11.126+02:00@Lingüista:
LOL.@<a href="#c1534284415849460806" title="Lingüista's message" rel="nofollow">Lingüista</a>:<br /><br />LOL.Mardushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727908952144069020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-15342844158494608062011-07-24T10:48:13.477+02:002011-07-24T10:48:13.477+02:00Möwenort: blah blah blah Estonia SS blah blah blah...Möwenort: blah blah blah Estonia SS blah blah blah Nazi blah blah blah Estonia bad blah balh bad Estonia blah blah reactionary blah blah blah fascist Estonia blah blah Waffen-SS blah blah Estonia blah blah blah blah bad Estonians blah blah Hakenkreuz blah blah Estonia blah blah blah <br /><br />Möwenort quote: Someone else said that blah blah blah Estonia SS blah blah blah Nazi blah blah blah Estonia bad blah balh bad Estonia blah blah reactionary blah blah blah fascist Estonia blah blah Waffen-SS blah blah Estonia blah blah blah blah bad Estonians blah blah Hakenkreuz blah blah Estonia blah blah blah <br /><br />Actual evidence & arguments? What for?<br /><br />Peace,Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-14848871446915504552011-07-23T16:12:22.585+02:002011-07-23T16:12:22.585+02:00that say everthing necessary I guess..
so you'...<i>that say everthing necessary I guess..</i><br /><br />so you're absolutely sure that you don't find anything else to add? wanna bet?plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-39099741383153738562011-07-23T14:28:37.519+02:002011-07-23T14:28:37.519+02:00Asehpe ütles...
Christine -- I'm 42,
My son ...Asehpe ütles... <br />Christine -- I'm 42,<br /><br />My son is almost your age ... I believe that your Bio identical twin sisters do possess totally different personalities but that would be somewhat rare....<br />Look, we are all born individuals, even clones are not totally identical... and yes nurture and ones upbringing can make a difference in the development of a child.<br />I'm sure you are very different then your brother or other family members as you have said, but unless you are adopted you remain a composite of your family's genetics.Christinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16963438308918095833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-41161387057541042292011-07-23T01:22:27.563+02:002011-07-23T01:22:27.563+02:00it is probably impossible to top you primitive way...it is probably impossible to top you primitive way of thinking, redneck.<br /><br />you do not deserve an answer, village-nazi, the only thing you still get from me is a quote.<br />out of an ERR-comment:<br /><br />" we should not be surprized about the comments here. Estonia has been a save harbor for National Socialist ideologists ...The aggressiveness of the comments speak for themselves and need no further explanation. It makes no sense to deal with such people. However, it *** this country into a questionable light, which is likely to deter a large number of potentional investors (by far not only from Russia and equivalent). In so far it may be a necessary evil to take time to expose these people and put spoof on it, but we must not respond to their arguments any further. So much of our precious time they do not deserve and you can't argue with them in any case because their 'opinion' is already pre-chewed. They do not want to discuss, they want to pass on the ideology, preferably done through channels that pick conspiracism and esoterism as a central theme these days. Open up a discussion about 9/11 and the usual suspects here would turn the discussion into what 'the Jews' have to do with that..."<br /><br />that say everthing necessary I guess..moevenorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18292577520959729452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-79112217631753248392011-07-22T23:23:07.258+02:002011-07-22T23:23:07.258+02:00While we are bickering here who is a nazi, who is ...While we are bickering here who is a nazi, who is a commie and what are the true values, history and blah, blah, blah ... islamists are destroying the world around us for real and right now.<br /><br />Maybe, nazi like me and a commie like you, moevenort, we should go back to our common roots and start building the funeral pyres for islamists instead? Or they will be building them for us both and you and I will burn there together.<br /><br />Needless to say, I am pissed off today like there is no tomorrow ...<br /><br />Effin hankyheads.<br /><br />Your turn, moeveort.LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-89806798455471106212011-07-21T20:12:29.360+02:002011-07-21T20:12:29.360+02:00That "chosing" part of being is the hard...That "chosing" part of being is the hardest. Darn, is that hard or what?<br /><br />I'd just sometimes just rather let go. Be the tablet or whatnot.<br /><br />I'd like to re-direct all that culpability so bad ...LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-63961978160220214552011-07-21T20:06:51.312+02:002011-07-21T20:06:51.312+02:00By the way -- I'm the same guy as Lingüista. M...By the way -- I'm the same guy as Lingüista. My computer is doing something funny today with my google accounts, and I can't seem to switch between them as I want. Sorry if that causes any confusion.Asehpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15848623582152684860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-560226536730716852011-07-21T20:05:55.289+02:002011-07-21T20:05:55.289+02:00Christine -- I'm 42, and I have also seen peop...Christine -- I'm 42, and I have also seen people grow up to be very much like their parents (my brother is a good example of that). Or sometimes to be like not their parents, but a more distant relative they never met. Or sometimes to be something totally different from anyone else in the family (that's my case.)<br /><br />I have two identical twin sisters. And I have rarely seen two people as widely different in attitudes and preferences as these two are -- despite the fact that they are, even today, disturbingly similar physically (they had a good time pretending to be each other to their boyfriends; it usually worked well for a few minutes).<br /><br />Which is why I, who don't despise the Our Soul Shines Through theory, also don't despise the Blank Slate theory -- a theory also not mine alone.<br /><br />Or in fact, I do despise both -- because they're absolutist. Call me a yin-yang guy, but I think neither Blank Slate nor Our Soul accurately describe reality.<br /><br />Or, as Sharon said above: "<i>It's never a case of "who you were born to be" or "who you were raised to be", but a mixture of both with a good dose of "who you have chosen to be" thrown in for good measure.</i>"<br /><br />Peace!Asehpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15848623582152684860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-33237957979859767832011-07-21T17:30:15.220+02:002011-07-21T17:30:15.220+02:00Lingüista ütles...
Christina -- if I may...
The ...Lingüista ütles... <br />Christina -- if I may...<br /><br />The old discussion between the innate and the acquired... If I understand you well, now that you've watched kids grow up and realized the Blank Slate (I never heard 'Tablet', only 'Slate') <br /><br /> "Tablet" was my English translation of what was the original term in Latin.<br />I am not sure how old you are but I have watched family members who grew up without any contact with their father, walk like them, talk like them and act very much like them.<br />Studies on identical twins who were adopted by different parents and grew up in very different settings are probably the best argument for a theory that is not mine alone.Christinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16963438308918095833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-72793113023359753862011-07-21T04:58:00.951+02:002011-07-21T04:58:00.951+02:00It's always interesting that people still fall...It's always interesting that people still fall back on dichotomies - it's either A <em>or</em> B. That's bunk. A and B are two points on a continuum. At any given point of our lives we can be lead/pushed to one point on the continuum, or we can actively chose to move to another point on the curriculum - A, B or anywhere in between. <br /><br />It's never a case of "who you were born to be" <em>or</em> "who you were raised to be", but a mixture of both with a good dose of "who you have chosen to be" thrown in for good measure.<br /><br />Everyone has the ability to chose to be "better". Sometimes they need to be reminded of this a few times - and we can all make bad decisions as a result of listening to the wrong voices - but we all have the ability to chose the better part of ourselves (no matter how often we <em>don't</em> chose the better part).<br /><br />Everyday. Everyone. <br /><br />We are a package of potential, and there is always hope for this afternoon - let alone hope for tomorrow.<br /><br />And that's about as deep as I feel like getting on a Thursday.Sharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12383128449697415608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-30615001852949913952011-07-21T02:46:28.324+02:002011-07-21T02:46:28.324+02:00Christina -- if I may...
The old discussion betwe...Christina -- if I may...<br /><br />The old discussion between the innate and the acquired... If I understand you well, now that you've watched kids grow up and realized the Blank Slate (I never heard 'Tablet', only 'Slate') Theory has serious problems, you turn to the opposite theory (call it the Our Soul Shines Through theory if you will). Whereas nature and nurture are precisely one of those yin-yang relations that we would be well advised to grasp; because, otherwise, we condemn ourselves to shifting between absolutes ('man is a product of the environment!' 'no, man is the shaper of his environment!' etc...) <br /><br />We do have lots of innate things, among which the propensity to adapt, the propensity to lock on certain things in our environment (sexual impulse is a clear example of that), a certain tendency for more and/or less aggression...<br /><br />But yes, we adapt. Kids will learn their parents' language; they won't make up one of their own. They'll choose someone to imitate -- and they will imitate him/her. (Ever noticed how children love to imitate -- how everything to them is like an imitation feast? 'Look, daddy, look! I'm X/Y/Z/...'.)Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-3216234063608066092011-07-21T02:38:47.241+02:002011-07-21T02:38:47.241+02:00Möwen-Ort, you're yourself the biggest nazi-lo...Möwen-Ort, you're yourself the biggest nazi-lover here on this comment thread. That you should accuse others of this is just evidence that Golovatov's case just doesn't fit in your worldview.<br /><br />And like everybody with a worldview set in stone, when something doesn't fit... you just ignore it.<br /><br />Hey, happy holidays!Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-3743940079543382592011-07-20T18:11:32.346+02:002011-07-20T18:11:32.346+02:00why should I? why should I talk with some east-eur...<i>why should I? why should I talk with some east-european nazi-friends like you about those issues?</i><br /><br />Because you think that even unevolved eastern barbarians deserve to be shown the (unspecified) true path by means of concise, yet pointed comments? Kind of like German koans (similar to Japanese koans, but without a hint of humour).plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-22950386190851072632011-07-20T18:04:08.840+02:002011-07-20T18:04:08.840+02:00Well, as Mr Ribbentrop once put it, there is no pr...Well, as Mr Ribbentrop once put it, there is no problem between the Baltic and the Black Sea that could not be solved between Germany and Russia.plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-18264268124799258512011-07-20T16:26:47.789+02:002011-07-20T16:26:47.789+02:00No need to talk or hug. Just state for the record...No need to talk or hug. Just state for the record that the people killed in Vilnius uprising were nazis and that they deserved it.LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-21749532468418965672011-07-20T15:45:23.441+02:002011-07-20T15:45:23.441+02:00why should I? why should I talk with some east-eur...why should I? why should I talk with some east-european nazi-friends like you about those issues?moevenorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18292577520959729452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-78057281882918699292011-07-20T15:25:51.996+02:002011-07-20T15:25:51.996+02:00Moevenort, do you want to go on the record with yo...Moevenort, do you want to go on the record with your opinion about the release of KGB murderer Golovatov?LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1786730349369824442011-07-20T11:07:26.415+02:002011-07-20T11:07:26.415+02:00Yeah, don't these guys look far more decent? T...Yeah, don't <a href="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/06/article-0-000C525300000258-66_468x352.jpg" rel="nofollow">these guys</a> look far more decent? That's because they're from a superiour culture. As old AH used to say, without proper Germanization these Baltic nations will never rise above mediocrity. <br /><br />Oh wait, <a href="http://trendsupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/german-neo-nazis.jpg" rel="nofollow">there's more</a>. Is that... is that a march for SS veterans?plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-53361297060156945842011-07-20T10:45:28.415+02:002011-07-20T10:45:28.415+02:00no, I mean stupi neonazi guys like these:
http://...no, I mean stupi neonazi guys like these:<br /><br />http://media.de.indymedia.org/images/2011/03/302249.jpgmoevenorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18292577520959729452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-90455919080368198552011-07-20T10:23:09.462+02:002011-07-20T10:23:09.462+02:00the same Lithuanians who were proud like Estonians...<i>the same Lithuanians who were proud like Estonians to fight side by side with SS in WW2 and enjoyed killing jewish citizens, too?</i><br /><br />you mean <a href="http://www.civis.lt/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/tankas2_sausio13.jpg" rel="nofollow">these Lithuanians</a>?plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-42287059941159190982011-07-20T08:47:32.207+02:002011-07-20T08:47:32.207+02:00I assume you are talking about your hysteric lithu...I assume you are talking about your hysteric lithuanian brothers? the same Lithuanians who were proud like Estonians to fight side by side with SS in WW2 and enjoyed killing jewish citizens, too?moevenorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18292577520959729452noreply@blogger.com