tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post6107800893476081300..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: Of jalgpall and other things ...Giustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-81189057512195942392007-03-25T22:51:00.000+02:002007-03-25T22:51:00.000+02:00Here's a post where we tackle some political issue...Here's a post where we tackle some political issues here. <BR/><BR/>http://palun.blogspot.com/2007/03/thinking-about-2009-and-2011.htmlGiustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-421504057280057952007-03-25T22:48:00.000+02:002007-03-25T22:48:00.000+02:00With respect, a blog like this is about advocacy, ...<I>With respect, a blog like this is about advocacy, not impartial reporting - which is totally fine with me as long as it's not done under any other guise. I am not much on propaganda whether it is coming from the Kremlin or Tallin [sp] or webspace.</I><BR/><BR/>I think this blog covers opposition viewpoints fairly well here in Estonia. I've taken various positions on Estonian political matters. I am not a talking head. I am actually unsure of most things. But I am sure that I want this country to remain prosperous, free, and independent. I think the press in most countries take that position as a given.<BR/><BR/>There are small viewpoints that represent the Kremlin's perspective in Estonia, but they amount to less than three percent of the vote electorally. So why bother? I might as well write about a communist perspective on US politics. Now THAT would be advocacy.<BR/><BR/><I>As for Torino, my memory fails me - I can't recall Estonia's triumph all that well (never was a fan of 100k cross-country skiing or whatever you were alluding to).</I><BR/><BR/>Cross country skiing is on TV here almost every weekend during the winter, and if it's not, you can catch it on the Finnish TV channels. I like skiing in general as I am a fan of individualist sports rather than team sports.<BR/><BR/>I was never one for football either. I mean a 100 minute game can be summed up in a news brief of about three minutes. Here's the attempt at scoring, here are the goals, here's the players jumping on each other like wolves in heat.<BR/><BR/>Better to watch the news instead of the game, or if you actually watch the game, make sure to drink a lot of beer -- and bring a crossword puzzle.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-8116047327868726042007-03-25T22:35:00.000+02:002007-03-25T22:35:00.000+02:00"A pretty even-handed look"? With respect, a blog ..."A pretty even-handed look"? With respect, a blog like this is about advocacy, not impartial reporting - which is totally fine with me as long as it's not done under any other guise. I am not much on propaganda whether it is coming from the Kremlin or Tallin or webspace. As for Torino, my memory fails me - I can't recall Estonia's triumph all that well (never was a fan of 100k cross-country skiing or whatever you were alluding to).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-76969044087644219632007-03-25T22:21:00.000+02:002007-03-25T22:21:00.000+02:00Well, there is a number of inaccuracies and falseh...<I>Well, there is a number of inaccuracies and falsehoods in this article, which is small wonder given its biased pro-Estonian slant.</I><BR/><BR/>What is there to dispute? I am an American and I think I have taken a pretty even-handed look at the situation.<BR/><BR/>The rightwing in the Estonian government scores domestic points by pissing Russia off. This proves to be easy work as the Russian government is blind it its own history and continues to hold an uncured and sick fetish for lost territory.<BR/><BR/><I>It matters little though as the event it started describing - the Euro qualifier in Tallin - ended quite predictably, with a solid Russia victory on the pitch, thank you very much.</I><BR/><BR/>Good for you. Estonia has its moments of victory to savor last winter in Torino. One cannot ask for everything.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-64530174801278203482007-03-25T22:02:00.000+02:002007-03-25T22:02:00.000+02:00Well, there is a number of inaccuracies and falseh...Well, there is a number of inaccuracies and falsehoods in this article, which is small wonder given its biased pro-Estonian slant. It matters little though as the event it started describing - the Euro qualifier in Tallin - ended quite predictably, with a solid Russia victory on the pitch, thank you very much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-86656831448164181992007-03-25T21:07:00.000+02:002007-03-25T21:07:00.000+02:00I wouldn't say Estonians suck at it, considering t...I wouldn't say Estonians suck at it, considering the size of the country. I can't think of a country with a similar population that could easily wipe the floor with Estonia.<BR/><BR/>As for football not being an Estonian game .. wasn't that sort of like that during Soviet days?space_mazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761076198531074140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-40350138246600899692007-03-25T15:51:00.000+02:002007-03-25T15:51:00.000+02:00that makes these goals more VALUABLE, you see.foot...that makes these goals more VALUABLE, you see.<BR/><BR/>football is very much an Estonian game, only we suck in it :-pplasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-80108987380833315412007-03-25T08:35:00.000+02:002007-03-25T08:35:00.000+02:00I watched it too. The worst I saw was a crowd of R...I watched it too. The worst I saw was a crowd of Russian fans doing the 'sieg heil' in some sort of mockery of Estonia. Anyway, perhaps it's good they got their little victory, it's not like it's cross-country skiing or anything.<BR/><BR/>I have to say that the Estonian defense is just awesome. I could tell that from the begining they were a second or two behind the Russians the whole game. They did really well, 2 goals aside. It's the offense that seemed a bit confused. <BR/><BR/>But, 100 minutes and two goals? It reminds me of why I never really got into football/soccer.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-84102005823827182542007-03-25T03:18:00.000+02:002007-03-25T03:18:00.000+02:00From what I've gathered, the athletes were also ve...<I> From what I've gathered, the athletes were also very fair and friendly towards eachother <BR/> -space_maze </I><BR/><BR/>I watched the game in the US on Fox Soccer channel. To me, English-language commentators seemed to minimize Russia-Estonia controversy and for the most part players were civil to each other (No Zidane-esque head butts.) But there were times you saw they weren't too happy with each other and made a point not to help the other guy up. But I guess this is what should be expected from a football match.<BR/><BR/>Considering that from what I've been told that Estonians view soccer as a Russian sport, like hockey, I think team Estonia acquitted themselves quite nicely.drEsolvehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03995427419452937365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-40841070701399226172007-03-25T01:54:00.000+02:002007-03-25T01:54:00.000+02:00Quite a pleasant surprise, the lack of stupidities...Quite a pleasant surprise, the lack of stupidities. From what I've gathered, the athletes were also very fair and friendly towards eachother.space_mazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761076198531074140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-81654687080077264562007-03-25T01:43:00.000+02:002007-03-25T01:43:00.000+02:00OK, it's a few fours after the finish of the Eston...OK, it's a few fours after the finish of the Estonian-Russian soccer match, and I've been looking online and the worst that I've seen (in terms of controversy) is that so far there was a drunk Estonian fan who threw a bottle in the vicinity of some kid; said person has since been arrested. <BR/><BR/>Of course, since I don’t understand Russian I can’t search Russian-language postings, but I fully expect the Kommersant/Regnum/Interfax/Itar-Tass/et al. propaganda machine (to which I will do my best to henceforth refer to as KRIITeal) to characterize the 10 yr old kid that had a bottle thrown at him/her as a Russian orphan who was blasphemed by a N—I uniform-wearing, fas-ist-loving Estonian, Swazzz tika and all.<BR/><BR/>For sake of all, please let's hope that they (KRIITeal) prove me wrong.drEsolvehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03995427419452937365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-21032541099196874992007-03-22T23:42:00.000+02:002007-03-22T23:42:00.000+02:00I don't know - given how many planes crash in Russ...I don't know - given how many planes crash in Russia, it sort of wouldn't surprise me if the Lithuania crash actually was accidental.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-12515323493209303062007-03-22T21:02:00.000+02:002007-03-22T21:02:00.000+02:00Flasher-T, аффтар. Inasmuch as I appreciate your b...Flasher-T, аффтар. Inasmuch as I appreciate your blog and your posts (in reverse order), please don't engage in anthropomorphism and don't attribute human properties to where they don't belong--to very unhuman tiblad, imhoVovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08690610657459218680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-86511131428815781892007-03-22T18:31:00.000+02:002007-03-22T18:31:00.000+02:00"Where's your blog? Perhaps you could cover the st..."Where's your blog? Perhaps you could cover the stag party beat, being from "Great" Britain and all."<BR/><BR/>:-DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-90598163417740994572007-03-22T17:33:00.000+02:002007-03-22T17:33:00.000+02:00No, the Russian wikipedia is surprisingly sane, I'...No, the Russian wikipedia is surprisingly sane, I've been told. I can only babelfish Russian, but I've been told it quite clearly calls the occupation of the Baltics .. well .. an occupation.<BR/><BR/>http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%AD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8<BR/><BR/>though it's possible, of course, that I only got my report from a convenient moment in an edit war ;)space_mazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761076198531074140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-77416046070878997412007-03-22T17:30:00.000+02:002007-03-22T17:30:00.000+02:00Autor on selle kommentaari eemaldanud.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076822279861048442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-16624981470624992902007-03-22T17:17:00.000+02:002007-03-22T17:17:00.000+02:00ETV is not (yet) live broadcasting on the internet...ETV is not (yet) live broadcasting on the internet, so the only option would be listening to Eesti Raadio broadcast :-p <BR/>http://www.vikerraadio.ee/index.php?lang=est&main_id=121<BR/><BR/>and/or read news updates from newspapers' web pages.plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-10143865570985514452007-03-22T17:02:00.000+02:002007-03-22T17:02:00.000+02:00The only people I have EVER met who believe the Ru...<I>The only people I have EVER met who believe the Russian "hype" are Russians from the motherland.</I><BR/><BR/>I've encountered some Serbian nationalists that believed in the same nonsense. And also some Westerners that started swallowing some of the produce of the Russian propaganda machine, due to not knowing where the intel was coming from.<BR/><BR/>Which is really the main reason I've gotten involved in debates with Russian nationalists - not because I have any hope of ever convincing them of a single word that I say, but to expose their nonsense for nonsense in the eyes of those that know little about the situation.<BR/><BR/>On a more technical note - jalgpallist :-) .. does someone know of the best way to follow the game online? My chances of receiving ETV here in Vienna are fairly limited, but I'd hate to completely miss it. In Austria, there are running live commentaries on a news site .. Estonia being Estonia, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a live free broadcast on the internet or something ;-) .. but I honestly have no idea. Hints appreciated!space_mazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761076198531074140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-8791005510367080802007-03-22T16:58:00.000+02:002007-03-22T16:58:00.000+02:00In fact, Giustino, he seems to find a lot more to ...<I>In fact, Giustino, he seems to find a lot more to write about Estonia, non-related to the Estonia/Russia schism, than you! Get with it! ;-)</I><BR/><BR/>Where's your blog? Perhaps you could cover the stag party beat, being from "Great" Britain and all.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-20073753006734013812007-03-22T15:51:00.000+02:002007-03-22T15:51:00.000+02:00'no english language response because one is not n...'no english language response because one is not needed'<BR/>How about a FAQ of the history of Estonia and Estonian-Russian relations? Or is there one already?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-52529626551188065582007-03-22T15:46:00.000+02:002007-03-22T15:46:00.000+02:00I've had a look, and while my Russian is far from ...I've had a look, and while my Russian is far from perfect, it seems to be more of a reporting and translation of stories in the news from other countries, relating to Estonia, and most seem to be about the economy, tourism, etc... In fact, Giustino, he seems to find a lot more to write about Estonia, non-related to the Estonia/Russia schism, than you! Get with it! ;-)<BR/><BR/>I think that there being so many stories internationally about Estonia non-related to Russia is a pretty good indication nobody outside Russia is really paying much attention to what the Russian media is portraying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-38091539842102875982007-03-22T13:34:00.000+02:002007-03-22T13:34:00.000+02:00'Estonia in World Media' is doing it in Russian al...'Estonia in World Media' is doing it in Russian already. Would be nice to read his experience in English so far. See link in Giustino's blogroll.Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-85387657367164970642007-03-22T13:31:00.000+02:002007-03-22T13:31:00.000+02:00http://www.epl.ee/uudised/379248Headline reads: "K...http://www.epl.ee/uudised/379248<BR/>Headline reads: "Kossatchev agrees to replacing the Bronze Soldier" <BR/><BR/>:-Oplasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-65676827892173433722007-03-22T13:26:00.000+02:002007-03-22T13:26:00.000+02:00The only people I have EVER met who believe the Ru...The only people I have EVER met who believe the Russian "hype" are Russians from the motherland. To effectively counter this, you would need to begin a Russian language blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-56097589914696671102007-03-22T13:22:00.000+02:002007-03-22T13:22:00.000+02:00There is no english language response because one ...<I>There is no english language response because one is not needed. If you think that most people, at least in Europe, take anything coming from Russia seriously then I think you are majorly misjudging them. And I can't see most Americans either particularly trusting any propaganda coming from Russia (unless it's about goshdarned "trrists").</I><BR/><BR/>I think that's mostly true. However, I have been in debates where its obvious that the 'info supplier' on one side is the Russian government-sponsored newswires.<BR/><BR/>I do think it's time to start writing about other topics. However, the posts may become fewer as I concentrate on more complex material.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.com