tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post6067398836155581972..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: Historical ConvergenceGiustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-24029941779647787782009-06-16T16:38:11.372+03:002009-06-16T16:38:11.372+03:00It’s a very nice blog for...
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When the "Deutschbalten" arri...Germans and Polands. When the "Deutschbalten" arrived in the Warthegau 1939 (Poland), leaving Estonia behind cause of the Hitler-Stalin treaty, they were given left and empty houses, Jews and Polish people were sent to nowhere instead, away from their own property. What did the German Baltics do? They stayed. Until the war reached the place in 1944. The Baltic Germans survided, not all, but what about the Polish and the Polish Jews? I never got the number.Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-25615813593435948342007-06-24T01:33:00.000+03:002007-06-24T01:33:00.000+03:00Actually I do support reparations for African desc...Actually I do support reparations for African descendants; it is a hell of lot less demeaning than affirmative action, which is being practiced. Nor do I support it as a substitute for atonement, or out of white man's guilt. Rather one day, when they have truly "overcome" and are fully accepted as equals in American society, I think blacks would then be perfectly justified in saying, "Now, about this money you owe us". So I agree with George Herbert quote about the best revenge being living well. (Too bad about Bush Sr. stealing this 17th century philoospher’s first two names BTW.) In the case of the Baltics there is still environmental damage and many other things that are beyond the capacity of Baltic governments to clean up. Chemicals at airfields with longer half-lives than 15 years. A Latvian thinktank did the math and came up with a specific figure a few years back. I know the Russians need every kopeck just so they can clean a weapon from time to time and their conscripts don\t starve to death. But some Russian individual can foot the bill.Kristopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01394211030848077681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-38269896241052038602007-06-24T00:09:00.000+03:002007-06-24T00:09:00.000+03:00Well, banning Polish girls from lying topless at t...Well, banning Polish girls from lying topless at the beach, as Poland wants to do, will not help them to have more children :DJuan Manuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997278614759180471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-31014024127093132832007-06-23T21:40:00.000+03:002007-06-23T21:40:00.000+03:00Not an apology, nor extraditions of the last 90-ye...<I>Not an apology, nor extraditions of the last 90-year-old Soviet war criminals, but Russia owes Estonia and the Baltics a few billion dollars in damages. And that is one demand that should not be allowed to expire.</I><BR/><BR/>It'd be justified, but the thought is just silly when one considers how much better life is in Estonia at present compared to Russia.space_mazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761076198531074140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-83584520328345444292007-06-23T20:54:00.000+03:002007-06-23T20:54:00.000+03:00Kris, forget the "slave reparations", that is deme...Kris, forget the "slave reparations", that is demeaning. (If I was a russian, I'd laugh at it too).<BR/>Even blacks in U.S. don't do it. <BR/><BR/>The best revenge is living well. This is what we, Estonians, must and can do. Revenge them by living well. <BR/><BR/>Do we know how to live well? That is the real question.LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-66630371559022609272007-06-23T20:06:00.000+03:002007-06-23T20:06:00.000+03:00Not an apology, nor extraditions of the last 90-ye...Not an apology, nor extraditions of the last 90-year-old Soviet war criminals, but Russia owes Estonia and the Baltics a few billion dollars in damages. And that is one demand that should not be allowed to expire.Kristopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01394211030848077681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-76622756811602758322007-06-23T00:25:00.000+03:002007-06-23T00:25:00.000+03:00That's why Russia doesn't really owe Estonia an ap...<I>That's why Russia doesn't really owe Estonia an apology for the 50 years of occupation. But it does owe Estonia an acknowledgement of what happened along with a strong expression of empathy. </I><BR/><BR/>Bingo - an apology would be cheap and tacky anyways - how can you apologise for something you had no part of?<BR/><BR/>But an acceptance of history is important for international relations. Poland, in general, would have a lot harder a time sitting there beside Germany, silently, if <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warschauer_Kniefall" REL="nofollow">Willy Brandt</A> had not fallen to his knees in Warsaw in 1970. This in no way can be seen as an apology, considering that Brandt himself was a fugitive of the Nazis, and only survived the war years by going into hiding in Sweden.<BR/><BR/>It's a pity that Russia is going so far off the Brandt path today. In the early 90s, one could have believed that Russia was slowly coming to terms with its history. Today .. imagine Putin doing something like <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boris_Yeltsin_Katyn.jpg" REL="nofollow">this</A>. Not too bloody likely.<BR/><BR/>As Germany has not had any such "reawakening" of warm and fuzzy feelings towards its own murderous past, I can't see Kaczyński as anything but childish here.space_mazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761076198531074140noreply@blogger.com