tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post5079779055892336184..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: letters from beijing and shanghaiGiustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-64400835770679818762012-12-02T01:41:58.156+02:002012-12-02T01:41:58.156+02:00To be honest I don't know what to think of And...To be honest I don't know what to think of Andrus Ansip anymore. He's a bit like Gordon Brown on his last leg - no matter what he says it will come across as controversial. I used to vote Reform once, it was just after I turned 18 and they were talking about EU and the higher living standards and giving gay people equal rights etc. But it was like if you voted for them it's as if you're lending some money from a bank, you're expected to pay back the full amount and interest, yet you would have only received half the money you applied for. Do you know what I mean? I felt cheated.<br /><br />I just think its not very nice that they preach us on being fit, and taking care of our own affairs and not to relay on help from the state. Yet at the same time they are writing foreign aid in to the budget - who does that? I smell a rat...Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-20998432608862035232012-12-02T01:01:37.913+02:002012-12-02T01:01:37.913+02:00Also maybe just a little bit off topic, but funny ...Also maybe just a little bit off topic, but funny ...<br /><br /><br />http://www.theonion.com/articles/latvian-diplomat-tells-amusing-human-development-i,30534/LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-60459727406145216792012-12-01T00:55:28.506+02:002012-12-01T00:55:28.506+02:00This is off-topic but I wanted to let people know ...This is off-topic but I wanted to let people know that it seems Ansip has now officially departed from his belief in austerity and small government. <br />Transfers from the EU appear to be what keeps the Estonian economy growing:<br /><br />“The drop in our domestic economy was very steep in the crisis years, including due to cuts and necessary reforms,“ Estonian Prime Minister Andrus Ansip said in a government press release. “Hence the Baltics require an exception to be made. To sum up, their economic growth - and thus job creation - depends on the investments made with these funds.”<br /><br />http://news.err.ee/politics/be419cb4-c5e3-489c-803b-a193dc534329<br />Temestahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14614591949410689858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-55254525308429218652012-11-30T22:49:05.909+02:002012-11-30T22:49:05.909+02:00Well, they say music is universal language. But th...Well, they say music is universal language. But then again when I stick his Alina on, I can just imagine Arno under the old willow tree waiting for Teele to return yet the look in his eyes tells the story - he knows that she never will. He's music is Estonian alright. <br /><br />I think what appeals, is the outer shell. And as I said, its just the half the story. What a shame.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-54858844935000927292012-11-30T22:08:03.379+02:002012-11-30T22:08:03.379+02:00Arvo's roots are in cold austere Estonian envi...Arvo's roots are in cold austere Estonian environment, sure, but his music soars in a way that speaks to all human beings at avery deep level. How Estonian is it? I don't know. It is in Latin mostly. <br /><br />I played Te Deum to a muslim person once and he liked it a lot. I did not mention that it was all about Christ and religion. He borrowed my CD and made a copy of it without seeing the cover with the translated liturgy on it. Is he going to listen to christian music now? Hope he does not get into trouble with his mullahs or some other enforcers. He occasionally travels to Afghanistan ... Maybe I should warn him. ;-) LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-20575554715530606462012-11-30T18:52:57.302+02:002012-11-30T18:52:57.302+02:00The thing that has always baffled me about Arvos m...The thing that has always baffled me about Arvos music though, is that it is quintessentially Estonian. The - its not about what you say, but what you do not say - concept. So how come he's so popular? Has Arvo opened a window to Estonian culture through his music or do foreigners just like to listen to it for its esthetic value? Which would be a shame, as then they would be missing half of it.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-61984420884746836322012-11-30T18:27:51.636+02:002012-11-30T18:27:51.636+02:00Yes, he's an Orthodox Estonian. Its a minority...Yes, he's an Orthodox Estonian. Its a minority religion, having only couple of thousand followers in Estonia. So, I suppose, he knows only too well what it means to be on the other side of the mainstream and how to stand strong, true to his convictions against all odds. And that what makes him truly inspirational.<br /><br />His music is fantastic too, my favorite being Cantus in memory Benjamin Britten. But by Estonian standards he is a link in a long chain stretching through ages - Tobias, Kreek, Tormis - all world renowned musical heavyweights. I love all of them and their works.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-65269837559685398122012-11-30T17:59:31.590+02:002012-11-30T17:59:31.590+02:00He is a Christian. I am sure his response would be...He is a Christian. I am sure his response would be no matter what, turn the other cheek. Let Lord sort it out who is right who is wrong. <br /><br />Love his music. Te Teum is simply out of this world good album. He is the greatest Estonian alive. 100 years from now people will be jealous of us that we lived at the time of Arvo Part.LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-49979584168343105862012-11-30T16:12:25.716+02:002012-11-30T16:12:25.716+02:00Another point on the subject of clash of civilizat...Another point on the subject of clash of civilizations would be, who were the people who influenced your opinion on it? If your role model was Mart Last, then yes, you need to get ready for the final battle while arming yourself to the teeth. While I look up to Arvo Pärt , my opinion differs greatly. What a man! One day he is having afternoon tea with the Pope, next morning he's having breakfast with the English Queen and the day after you find him giving autographs to Muslim leaders in Istanbul . A true Estonian, with a vision to build bridges rather than burning them. By the way, LPR, wasn't he originally from your neck of the woods, Türi or Paide or something? You should ask him, how much of a clash there really is.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-92157046404927669422012-11-30T15:10:35.623+02:002012-11-30T15:10:35.623+02:00Indeed, but its not just the Muslims. Its the for...Indeed, but its not just the Muslims. Its the foreigners with different cultrual backgrounds. Up to a point, in Britain today, the Muslims and the Poles are the new Irish. These things come in waves, and this too will fade soon enogh.<br /><br />I just don't like the extremes, on any side. We should look at the more positive factors and common ground. I mean, one can undoubtedly say that the contributions to the Western civilization by the Muslim scholars, in terms of mathematics and technology, are one of the great pillars of our civilization, comparable to the legacy of Roman law and Byzantine art.<br /><br />There were times in the past when we used to cover up our women, force them to marry, burned free thinkers on the post etc. And at that time Islam flourished - they had most beautiful poetry, magnificent art, the Turkish saunas used to steam of sexual liberation etc.<br /><br />But then things turned backwards and in a way we swapped places with them. I mean modern day Iran is like Estonia in early 1500's. Our Order State was as religiously fanatical as the modern Iranian administration. We got over it, and so shall they. But we must never judge. It would be too hypocritical of us to do so.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-7069738162601854802012-11-29T23:12:03.660+02:002012-11-29T23:12:03.660+02:00They nature of clashes is that they build up slowl...They nature of clashes is that they build up slowly.<br /><br />Temesta said: "...a big and visible part of them are clearly out of touch with mainstream developments in Belgian society"<br /><br />Interesting. One could have said something like that about the growing nazi movement in the 1930s Germany. LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-28899674407159988532012-11-29T22:57:43.770+02:002012-11-29T22:57:43.770+02:00Well in Britain we also have these kind of people,...Well in Britain we also have these kind of people, but by no means are they all Muslim. I find the Poles, and Catholics in general much worse. At least most Muslims respect the - cuius teria, eius religia - concept, while a lot of Catholics don't. And not just in Protestant England, but also in Lutheran Estonia. 90% of anti-gay pile you can read in Estonian newspapers is written by people who are, or do have strong connections in Catholic Church. And there only are some 3000 odd Catholics in Estonia.<br /><br />As a gay man I find British Muslims to be rather tolerant, while I still struggle to come out to some of my Christian coworkers. They're just nasty people in principle, while Muslims will compromise at least on - hate the sin, but not the sinner. Not that I find it less derogatory, but there's at least a starting point for a dialogue . <br /><br />And I've also seen the YouTube videos, and yes, it seems that in some countries (Belgium, Sweden, France) you get more of a conflict than others (Britain, Estonia, Denmark).Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-626295715633111272012-11-29T22:20:36.835+02:002012-11-29T22:20:36.835+02:00In Belgium live hundreds of thousands of muslims a...In Belgium live hundreds of thousands of muslims and while there's not something like a major clash of civilizations, there are some issues. In certain districts of the bigger cities, especially Brussels, some muslims are trying to impose their own religious and cultural standards. Woman who have a 'western' style of clothing are frequently harrassed. In the summer there was a huge scandal about this when a young woman from a filmschool made a documentary with a hidden camera to show that in the neighbourhood were she lived she was harrassed physically and verbally about every ten minutes. After this, there came a lot of stories from women living in Brussels, testifying that they were avoiding certain neighbourhoods are changing their style of clothing to avoid harrasment. Two weeks ago, two gay men did the same thing with a hidden camera (they walked through muslim districts hand in hand) and the response from muslims was even worse. Of course, not all muslims behave or think like this, but a big and visible part of them are clearly out of touch with mainstream developments in Belgian society. The head of the Belgian Intelligence agency also stated that muslim-extremism has become the biggest threat to Belgian security and that the number of muslims attracted to these movements (not terrorist movements but movements like salafism that reject democracy and human rights) are growing fast.Temestahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14614591949410689858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-24064715692044572712012-11-29T20:51:48.324+02:002012-11-29T20:51:48.324+02:00Being agnostic is all nice and neat, but it does n...Being agnostic is all nice and neat, but it does not mean that there is no clash out there.<br /><br />Once the world order is remade, your luxury of meekly practicing obliviousness to crazyness might come to an end. A violent end at that.<br /><br />You might find the aforementioned book an ineresting read. If nothing else, check out it's reviews on Amazon.<br /><br />LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-63471694105171795162012-11-29T19:53:52.540+02:002012-11-29T19:53:52.540+02:00I doubt there's much of that. Haven't hear...I doubt there's much of that. Haven't heard of radical Islam raising its head in the mouth of the sleeping dragon, nor radical Christianity ( the Catholics). There's not much radicalism in China when it comes to these matters. Communism, maybe, but even that seems to be a muted or turned down version of it.<br /><br />There isn't much of a West versus Islam out there, is there? I mean if you leave the far-right groups out of there picture, there is no clash. I've got Muslim and Christian neighbours, and myself being agnostic, we get on just fine. Why would we be clashing? Maybe there was a clash in the 60's, but I'm not old enough tI know.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-65482033918928449302012-11-29T14:54:45.907+02:002012-11-29T14:54:45.907+02:00I was thinking more in the lines of Clash of the C...I was thinking more in the lines of Clash of the Civilizations as described by Samuel P. Huntington in his book (not to self: re-read the book for an answer). Western world v. muslim world type of thing.LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-88139449460590961982012-11-29T02:55:07.757+02:002012-11-29T02:55:07.757+02:00LPR, what do you mean by, where do they stand on I...LPR, what do you mean by, where do they stand on Islam vs Christianity? There are millions of Christians as well as Muslims in China. How are they supposed to be clashing? Does maausk and Lutheranism clash in Estonia? As far as I know, most people don't give sh*t. Maybe just some, to whom I like to refer to as, armchair fundamentalists with an IPad . You know, the nutters who are looking out for paranoid contradictions where none are not to be found.<br /><br />I've only known a handful of Chinese people in my life and they all have seem to be rather tolerant towards different religions. Not overly big on individual rights, or so it has come across. But then, who knows. China is a civilization compromising of many cultures, just like Europe. Your average Estonian can hold views rather different to your average Portuguese but for a Chinese person we might seem as two of the same kind, nearly identical.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-741402978709866472012-11-28T15:04:33.187+02:002012-11-28T15:04:33.187+02:00I remember how sad and empty it was in Russia duri...I remember how sad and empty it was in Russia during Christmas, I can imagine it is the same in China. Zero Christmas feeling. True?LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-60785354274301550552012-11-25T10:06:39.592+02:002012-11-25T10:06:39.592+02:00I defense of our Chinese friends, I will say that ...I defense of our Chinese friends, I will say that the Chinese food in China is about a thousand times more delicious than anything I have eaten in the "West." Tõsiselt.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-52479366715664690162012-11-24T04:54:18.111+02:002012-11-24T04:54:18.111+02:00Ask if they put MSG in their food.
Sure they...Ask if they put MSG in their food. <br /><br />Sure they'll tell you no, no, we only good food. :-)<br /><br />Thai and Japanese food top Chinese food in my opinion. Chinese food is bland. Even the stuff they sell in high end Chinese restaurants. Wait, did I say high end Chinese restaurants? Pffh. What am I talking about? I've never seen one. Do they even exist?LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-71477639912191947542012-11-23T23:15:49.691+02:002012-11-23T23:15:49.691+02:00If by American terms you're a Republican, then...If by American terms you're a Republican, then India it is, lol : ).<br /><br />Don't particularly like the Chinese. Its the 'I know the best' attitude, which makes them extremely unattractive. Food is great tough, love Chinese food. Mind you, I got a Chinese takeaway downstairs, might have to give them a visit this weekend.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501324932136870126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-57805801741165028032012-11-23T21:48:25.145+02:002012-11-23T21:48:25.145+02:00Nice style as always. Maybe you have seen the futu...Nice style as always. Maybe you have seen the future? Does it work? Never been there, never been to India either, but of these two giants, I have a feeling that I prefer India...stockholm slenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16909107517362691387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-77052692375791554982012-11-23T12:29:35.369+02:002012-11-23T12:29:35.369+02:00Rainer, indeed! Thanks for the kind words, friends...Rainer, indeed! Thanks for the kind words, friends. I was beginning to fear that I had lost my flow ...Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-76726106599219503392012-11-23T09:36:18.526+02:002012-11-23T09:36:18.526+02:00"Expats in Estonia bitch about the Estonians,..."Expats in Estonia bitch about the Estonians, expats in China bitch about the Chinese. What is an expat but a bitch who only bitches? "Bitch, bitch, bitch," as a friend's wife mock-says when her expat man goes off on the shoddiness of Estonian journalism, "bitch, bitch, bitch.""<br /><br />Call it deja vu...<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMq5QiksadY<br /><br />PS very insightful post.Rainerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160091690005391250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-35815623700315871492012-11-22T19:32:56.594+02:002012-11-22T19:32:56.594+02:00This is great reading! Beautiful style. I shouldn&...This is great reading! Beautiful style. I shouldn't forget to thank my Estonian colleague who helped me stumble upon your blog!ilja_vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525874998343156694noreply@blogger.com