tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post2244196420582586984..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: mods, rockers, hippies, and ... skinheads?Giustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-8118941261053105742009-03-31T01:23:00.000+02:002009-03-31T01:23:00.000+02:00"Non-European decent" - sounds like someone (the w...<I>"Non-European decent" - sounds like someone (the writer) is as ignorant as the vast majority of people of "European decent": almost every "African American" has plenty of European "blood" in them!!</I> <BR/><BR/>The thing is that the local nähkpead aren't just anti-African, they are anti everybody who looks like they aren't from around here. That means Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Malaysians, Lebanese, Egyptians. The best I could come up with is "non-European descent." I know it's wrong, but ... that's all I got.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-31443945608902785862009-03-18T05:22:00.000+02:002009-03-18T05:22:00.000+02:00And three years later:"African students in the Sov...And three years later:<BR/><BR/>"African students in the Soviet Union staged a demonstration in Red Square on December 18, 1963, that became an international incident. Triggered by the mysterious death of a Ghanaian student, the protest aired Africans’ concerns over their security in the USSR. These concerns had crystallized over the previous few years, when the first contingents of African students had experienced racial misunderstanding and harassment alongside official expressions of goodwill. The international climate tended to fuel these concerns as well ; the Western press, to which the students often had access, took up evidence of racial tensions in the Soviet Union with particular zeal. The political, social, and cultural factors that played into the African students’ demonstration and its aftermath offer a new angle on the history of the later Khrushchev years."<BR/><A HREF="http://www.cairn.info/resume.php?ID_ARTICLE=CMR_471_0033" REL="nofollow">Death of an African student in Moscow</A>Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1978925639761231942009-03-18T05:14:00.000+02:002009-03-18T05:14:00.000+02:00I am a little late here@Andres:"There were not bla...I am a little late here<BR/>@Andres:<BR/>"There were not black people in the Soviet Union."<BR/><BR/>Hm one of the first books about old SU was from Michel Ayih.<BR/>His story was out in 1960:<BR/>Three who went to Moscow<BR/><BR/>At the very time Nikita Khrushchev was slapping black backs at the U.N. and telling Africa's delegates that the Soviet Union is their world's best friend, three African students decided to tell the world how they had been treated in the Soviet Union. In an open letter to the heads of all African governments, the three youths—all medical students—charged last week that they had been victims of "constant discrimination, threats, restrictions of our freedom, and even brutality," while they studied at Moscow University.<BR/><BR/>Here is the whole article,<BR/><A HREF="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,894947,00.html" REL="nofollow">Time, Monday, Oct. 03, 1960</A>Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-37450826866485055852009-03-18T05:12:00.000+02:002009-03-18T05:12:00.000+02:00Autor on selle kommentaari eemaldanud.Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-60843097880806632552009-01-31T11:07:00.000+02:002009-01-31T11:07:00.000+02:00I just received a death threat - as in: "I am goin...I just received a death threat - as in: "I am going to blow your brains out" from "someEstonian" in response to my Blog - which was highly critical of- and potential immensely helpful to - Estonia and everyone that still chooses to live here. <BR/><BR/>If you want to read it, now you have to get my permission. I now know why so many bloggers commenting about Estonia are anonymous.<BR/><BR/>Welcome to wonderful PC Estonia.<BR/><BR/>And yes, I know that the majority of Estonians - that I have met and spoken to - are racist to some extant - much more so than most places that I have been - perhaps less racist than my almost entirely white, Irish, Roman Catholic home town...<BR/><BR/>Will I receive a death threat for writing this?...possibly...<BR/><BR/>free speech...free press...Not in Estonia - where the media is controlled by "outlanders"...<BR/><BR/>Ignorance and hatred are everywhere...is it getting better? I am afraid - in this economy (because people love there money) - "Godless" places like (30+% non-religious) Estonia (stat.ee) will get much worse before anyone cares enough to make things better! <BR/><BR/>Which means relations will probably be getting worse between people of "differing" backgrounds - race, religion, economic, sexual preferences, musical preferences (you can use any difference you want!!) <BR/><BR/>When will the scientific method win out?? <BR/><BR/>Science has debunked all of these stereotypes and myths - but people either can't be convinced or simply aren't reading enough - and they are definitely listening to way too much of the wrong propaganda - if even in the form of a "humorous" racist joke - jokes are only funny if they contain an element of truth for the listeners!James Graffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08732180334030636068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-39160974113555470212009-01-21T16:01:00.000+02:002009-01-21T16:01:00.000+02:00I know, plasma. It is all coulda-woulda-shoulda. ...I know, plasma. It is all coulda-woulda-shoulda. I love to blabber. Just like the next guy.<BR/><BR/>Let irony rule the day.LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-70193432901965002382009-01-21T15:00:00.000+02:002009-01-21T15:00:00.000+02:00I would have gone medieval on their asses if it wa...<I>I would have gone medieval on their asses if it was my call. So all be glad that it wasn't. </I><BR/><BR/>Coming from a guy who moved out to avoid his ass being kicked, it sounds pretti ironic.plasma-jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485039580759398780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-53104568205906942852009-01-21T00:39:00.000+02:002009-01-21T00:39:00.000+02:00I'm still wondering about what the average Russian...I'm still wondering about what the average Russian feels like in Estonia. I think the Rossiya-shouting elements are not majoritary, are they? To what extent do Russians really feel disenfranchised in Estonia, and to what extent is this just memory of having been the linguistic upper class in Soviet times? Are there any Russian speakers who read Giustino's blog, for instance?<BR/><BR/>There indeed are hard feelings on both sides. I'm not saying the Estonians don't have real complaints about what the Soviets did to them; but I'm not saying that the life of an Estonian Russian is just sweet and there's nothing to complain about. (At least I don't know there is. I don't have this experience.)Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-6455309814964141722009-01-20T04:03:00.000+02:002009-01-20T04:03:00.000+02:00Yeah, n-lane,I'm with you, some of this is not hor...Yeah, n-lane,I'm with you, some of this is not horrorshow at all... I'm just going to go listen to Beethovan and read Pema Chodron ( the Clockwork Orange would have been lots different with PC).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-59983473127416872692009-01-20T03:50:00.000+02:002009-01-20T03:50:00.000+02:00n-lane, my starry droog, you could have said that ...n-lane, my starry droog, you could have said that right into my litso.LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-92231013198911342582009-01-19T22:42:00.000+02:002009-01-19T22:42:00.000+02:00It's an issue of freedom of thought and free speec...<I>It's an issue of freedom of thought and free speech.</I><BR/><BR/>Sure, but everything has a context. Everything that's legally okay, is not okay in a moral sense. Freedom of speech can be used for both good and bad.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076822279861048442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-34414181191459749532009-01-19T20:40:00.000+02:002009-01-19T20:40:00.000+02:00Sorry guys, I've had too much Cruzan Pinepple Rum...Sorry guys, I've had too much Cruzan Pinepple Rum already as I write this ...<BR/><BR/>but, ... uh<BR/><BR/>puu ...<BR/><BR/>if I freak you out ... look I am not even living in Estonia ...<BR/><BR/>I am nobody for you to worry about ...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Now watch this and reflect upon it.<BR/><BR/>this is ...<BR/><BR/>oh well, <BR/><BR/>never mind<BR/><BR/>just watch it ...<BR/><BR/>http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/article.php?id=20946432LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-78766202788131547552009-01-19T18:45:00.000+02:002009-01-19T18:45:00.000+02:00The concept is simple: shouting the name of any co...<I>The concept is simple: shouting the name of any country in the street is not illegal. </I> (n-lane)<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I was meaning to say: shouting the name of any country in the street is not an issue of nationality. It's an issue of freedom of thought and free speech.<BR/><BR/><I>it's not a legal issue, it's an emotional one</I> (Andres)<BR/><BR/>There were hurt feelings on both sides.<BR/><BR/><I>achieve anything by screwing</I> (Andres)<BR/><BR/>I don't want any screwing.n-lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03410971697891673149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-44822854289586531142009-01-19T17:39:00.000+02:002009-01-19T17:39:00.000+02:00The concept is simple: shouting the name of any co...<I>The concept is simple: shouting the name of any country in the street is not illegal.</I><BR/><BR/>But this is not an honest argument. Going to a former colony anywhere and shouting the name of the country of the former colonist brings up negative emotions. That's a no-brainer. Pressing on JOKK here is not going to do you any good, it's not a legal issue, it's an emotional one.<BR/><BR/>Do you really think the local Russians are going to achieve anything by screwing the Estonians in "a perfectly legal way"? It's just going to cause more hate and nothing else.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076822279861048442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-19595290199804428572009-01-19T16:19:00.000+02:002009-01-19T16:19:00.000+02:00Passport-huiasport. They all quacked like freaking...<I>Passport-huiasport. They all quacked like freaking rooskies to me.</I> (Inner monologue)<BR/><BR/>Sorry everyone, I'm not going to feed this horrorshow troll anymore. :)n-lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03410971697891673149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-69519517393821355652009-01-19T15:52:00.000+02:002009-01-19T15:52:00.000+02:00Foreign-minded people originating from a foreign c...<I>Foreign-minded people originating from a foreign country </I> Andres<BR/><BR/>Again, why are you insisting on knowing exactly where these people were born?<BR/><BR/><I>Maybe I'm too narrow-minded but this concept is really hard to fathom.</I> Andres<BR/><BR/>The concept is simple: shouting the name of any country in the street is not illegal. <BR/>By calling these people foreigners you seem to try to solve the problem by adopting ostrich tactics of burying your head into sand. <BR/>The root of the problem as I see it is this: a large group of people (call them tax payers for a more down-to-earth approach) feels discriminated against. And neither of the parties involved in the conflict is going to leave the country. <BR/>So the only way to a solution, in my opinion, is compassionate patience on both sides and constructive dialogue. <BR/>A lot of mistakes have been made on both sides already. I see no point in making them again and again.n-lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03410971697891673149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-90440961105296946552009-01-19T14:43:00.000+02:002009-01-19T14:43:00.000+02:00The smart thing for russionas to do, is to do what...The smart thing for russionas to do, is to do what mexianos did in LA. First they took into the streets protesting immigration laws waving mexian flags and shouting viva la rasa, viva la rasa. They got watercannoned. Next time they cam out waving American flags demanding the same things but instead of shouting la rasa they shouted equality and liberty and stuff like that.<BR/><BR/>Point being - good kicks over thick skulls works well sometimes.<BR/><BR/>We'll see if rooskies figure that out that if they come out singing Mu Isamaa on minu arm and wave sinimustvalge, they will have good chances for sympathy.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I won't bet on it though. We'll see.<BR/><BR/>IF THLPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-18790837573263638372009-01-19T14:19:00.000+02:002009-01-19T14:19:00.000+02:00If we have a situation where we have the whole old...<I>If we have a situation where we have the whole old town full of chellovecks who are creechating Ro-see-yaa! Ro-see-yaa! Then that means that we have a bunch of effed out of their minds foreigners in you hands. Foreigners!</I><BR/><BR/>They were pretty stupid, actually. They have no understanding of how to do PR. Klenski likes to draw parallels to the American Civil Rights movement, but he should remember that we have no holidays to celebrate the lives of Stokely Carmichael or Huey Newton or even Malcolm X. <BR/><BR/>Association with domestic violence delegitimizes any social movement. Most people are practical about things. They might be moved by a persuasive argument, but break their shop windows and threaten their ability to go about their business, and they will lose all empathy for you.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-46027089328989031672009-01-19T11:43:00.001+02:002009-01-19T11:43:00.001+02:00Well, it has happened; this is comment 101. Congra...Well, it has happened; this is comment 101. Congratulations!Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-41090420583188348442009-01-19T11:43:00.000+02:002009-01-19T11:43:00.000+02:00Well, it has happened; this is comment 101. Congra...Well, it has happened; this is comment 101. Congratulations!Lingüistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327147408198046253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-27858533969777473652009-01-19T11:24:00.000+02:002009-01-19T11:24:00.000+02:00I suppose we are now just trying to get the thread...I suppose we are now just trying to get the thread over 100 comments...stockholm slenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16909107517362691387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-15211472017203719002009-01-19T09:31:00.000+02:002009-01-19T09:31:00.000+02:00But, Inner, what are you walking like and quaking ...But, Inner, what are you walking like and quaking like...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-2295478673800053842009-01-19T04:32:00.000+02:002009-01-19T04:32:00.000+02:00Another saying goes that if it walks like a duck a...Another saying goes that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it must be a duck.<BR/><BR/>If we have a situation where we have the whole old town full of chellovecks who are creechating Ro-see-yaa! Ro-see-yaa! Then that means that we have a bunch of effed out of their minds foreigners in you hands. Foreigners!<BR/><BR/>Passport-huiasport. They all quacked like freaking rooskies to me.<BR/><BR/>I would have gone medieval on their asses if it was my call. So all be glad that it wasn't. :-)LPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397977705898254598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-8121445265030792702009-01-18T15:17:00.000+02:002009-01-18T15:17:00.000+02:00Ah remembered.. when you talk the talk and you wal...Ah remembered.. when you talk the talk and you walk the walk.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076822279861048442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-47054177761069303882009-01-18T15:16:00.000+02:002009-01-18T15:16:00.000+02:00Foreign-minded people originating from a foreign c...Foreign-minded people originating from a foreign country, but NOT foreigners. Maybe I'm too narrow-minded but this concept is really hard to fathom. Okay, I understand that stuff is not so black-and-white like "Your with us or you're against us". But can you really define yourself as not a foreigner in your heart when you act like one and you talk like one. How was the saying.. when you dance the dance, you're it, or something. Or maybe you would care to explain this complicated situation to me?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076822279861048442noreply@blogger.com