tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post116986867743540444..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: A Little Bit About Estonia's JewsGiustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1170007252892133902007-01-28T20:00:00.000+02:002007-01-28T20:00:00.000+02:00To kill a culture, you don't need to just kill its...To kill a culture, you don't need to just kill its people. Divorcing its people from that culture works just as well. And once a culture is lost, it can never be truly regained. People who consider themselves "Prussian" can never become truly "Prussian" again, no matter how hard they study the linguistic fragments or read old chronicles about how their people once acted.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1170001626404589772007-01-28T18:27:00.000+02:002007-01-28T18:27:00.000+02:00One can hardly equate murder with cultural suppres...<I>One can hardly equate murder with cultural suppression.</I> <BR/><BR/>I disagree. Take our local Algonquian-speaking residents of New York. Many were murdered, this is true, but their culture was also eradicated by 1) banning their language and religion; 2) breaking their familial ties through indentured servitude; 3) depriving them of a land base or organizations to preserve their culture.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, you have an anthropological situation in 2007, where there ARE people that are descendants of natives of, say new York City, but who have completely lost their native culture, and therefore have been destroyed just as much as if they had been murdered.<BR/><BR/>People are just people. We're just flesh and blood. You could take 1,000 Estonian kids and raise them as Russians and give them Russian names and they'd be Russians. Or you could shoot those kids. In the end, you'd have the same result.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1169976412320898032007-01-28T11:26:00.000+02:002007-01-28T11:26:00.000+02:00"One can hardly equate murded with cultural suppre..."One can hardly equate murded with cultural suppression."<BR/><BR/>How wrong you are, the jews were a persecuted people in the Soviet Union, especially after Stalin took over. This includes shooting jews, sending them to death camps etc. This is quite well portrayed in the books "Stalin" (by Montefiore) and in "The black book of communism". I recommend reading these books. There was a graphic episode concerning Germany and Soviet Union dividing Poland, the jews had to choose between being shot by the nazis or rotting slowly in the GULAG, a lot of them decided in favor of being shot by nazis because it felt more "humane".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1169930551579675912007-01-27T22:42:00.000+02:002007-01-27T22:42:00.000+02:00One can hardly equate murder with cultural suppres...<I>One can hardly equate murder with cultural suppression</I><BR/>One can hardly claim himself protector of the Jews on the basis of not murdering them.Estonia in World Media (Rus)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13791711276337826586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1169909692141149512007-01-27T17:01:00.000+02:002007-01-27T17:01:00.000+02:00Sorry, Giustino, please delete the posts. Way too ...Sorry, Giustino, please delete the posts. Way too many. :-(Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1169909501354725652007-01-27T16:58:00.000+02:002007-01-27T16:58:00.000+02:00Sorry for double posting, but don't get me wrong, ...Sorry for double posting, but don't get me wrong, this shows soviet logic for example in Poland:<BR/>'Quite unexpectedly, those Jews who had lined up to register, later faced deportation to the Soviet interior since the Soviets had taken careful note of them. It should be stressed that the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were firm allies at that time and that the Jews, who indicated their readiness to return to the German zone, had no inkling that they would later become politically suspect. Ironically, since the vast majority of Jews deported to the Soviet interior survived the war and this proved to be their salvation from the Holocaust, pro-Soviet propaganda turned this unanticipated and unintended consequence into a "rescue" activity on behalf of endangered Jews.'<BR/>source<BR/>http://www.electronicmuseum.ca/Poland-WW2/ethnic_minorities_occupation/jews_1.htmlJens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1169908834973989222007-01-27T16:47:00.000+02:002007-01-27T16:47:00.000+02:00Jews were deported from Poland, Bessarabia and oth...Jews were deported from Poland, Bessarabia and other parts of the new occupied areas by soviet forces in 1940 already. Not all of them survived the GULAG and living in Siberia. Lennart Meri ones said something like a dead by the Reds seems to be less dead than by the Nazis.<BR/>One source:<BR/>Julius Wolfenhaut. Nach Sibirien verbannt, Als Jude von Czernowitz nach Stalinka 1941-1994Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1169908799051850182007-01-27T16:46:00.000+02:002007-01-27T16:46:00.000+02:00Jews were deported from Poland, Bessarabia and oth...Jews were deported from Poland, Bessarabia and other parts of the new occupied areas by soviet forces in 1940 already. Not all of them survived the GULAG and living in Siberia. Lennart Meri ones said something like a dead by the Reds seems to be less dead than by the Nazis.<BR/>One source:<BR/>Julius Wolfenhaut. Nach Sibirien verbannt, Als Jude von Czernowitz nach Stalinka 1941-1994Jens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1169904296092810462007-01-27T15:24:00.000+02:002007-01-27T15:24:00.000+02:00Damn, that is suppose to say murder, not murdedDamn, that is suppose to say murder, not murdedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1169904015609853452007-01-27T15:20:00.000+02:002007-01-27T15:20:00.000+02:00"Someone should remind Vitaly Churkin, Russia's am..."Someone should remind Vitaly Churkin, Russia's ambassador to the UN, that there were two governments involved in destroying Estonia's Jewish community in the 1940s, and the Republic of Estonia wasn't one of them". <BR/>One can hardly equate murded with cultural suppression.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com