tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post115808112349084429..comments2023-11-05T09:55:13.077+02:00Comments on Itching for Eestimaa: "The only post-communist Nordic country"Giustinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-57873443349847101222011-09-09T20:00:29.182+02:002011-09-09T20:00:29.182+02:00Estonia as Nordic , but not Skandinavia :)Estonia as Nordic , but not Skandinavia :)Helsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133300638212066396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1170676401446361362007-02-05T13:53:00.000+02:002007-02-05T13:53:00.000+02:00Never had an independent country before 1918? (in ...<I>Never had an independent country before 1918? (in this we differ from Lithuanians)</I><BR/><BR/>That's a historic coup by Lithuanians. The Baltic-to-Adriatic, Greater Lithuania you're thinking of was based on major chunks of Belarus and Poland, Lithuania as we know it today was actually a fairly minor part of it.antyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06567309109757565293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1170675633677204402007-02-05T13:40:00.000+02:002007-02-05T13:40:00.000+02:00You should also imagine what it is like for them t...<I>You should also imagine what it is like for them to learn our languages. It's got to be tough.</I><BR/><BR/>What, English? As an English major whose mother tongue is Russian, I can tell you right now - English is very, very simple. :) In fact the greatest problem for native English-speakers when learning other languages is morphology (as there is pretty much none in English).antyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06567309109757565293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1170675507338715642007-02-05T13:38:00.000+02:002007-02-05T13:38:00.000+02:00Estonia is not on the Scandinavian penninsula, tho...<I>Estonia is not on the Scandinavian penninsula, though...</I><BR/><BR/>Neither is Denmark. :Pantyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06567309109757565293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1166473709433167012006-12-18T22:28:00.000+02:002006-12-18T22:28:00.000+02:00The Ring ,where you disappeared? Call to me fast! ...The Ring ,where you disappeared? 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Jõhvi<BR/>SSID: Hotell Wironia<BR/>Mailserver: mail.neti.ee<BR/>Lisatud: 2005-07-05<BR/><BR/>Rakvere Tsentrum<BR/>Koidula tn. 1. Rakvere<BR/>SSID: Elion<BR/>Mailserver: mail.neti.ee<BR/>Lisatud: 2005-07-02<BR/><BR/>Elioni esindus I Jõhvis<BR/>Rakvere mnt 3. Jõhvi<BR/>SSID: esindus<BR/>Mailserver: mail.neti.ee<BR/>Lisatud: 2005-10-03<BR/><BR/>Lääne Viru Maavalitsus<BR/>Kreutzwaldi 5. Rakvere<BR/>SSID: L-Viru MV<BR/>Mailserver: puudub<BR/>Lisatud: 2006-02-13<BR/><BR/>Rakvere linnavalitsus<BR/>Lembitu 7. Rakvere <BR/>SSID: Elion<BR/>Mailserver: mail.neti.ee<BR/>Lisatud: 2006-10-01Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1160824869140540722006-10-14T13:21:00.000+02:002006-10-14T13:21:00.000+02:00It's American confusion to talk about Scandinavia ...It's American confusion to talk about Scandinavia being more than geographical term. Everyone in the Northern hemisphere of Europe knows that Scandinavia is only Sweden and Norway. Fennoscandia is Finland. Denmark and Iceland are neither one, yet all five nationstates form NORDIC. <BR/><BR/>Estonians will never fit into that category. They're too different, culturally. <BR/><BR/>Besides, Giustino seems to be talking about Tallinn only. Have you guys ever been outside of Tallinn? Don't find internet in downtown Rakvere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158934282360123322006-09-22T16:11:00.000+02:002006-09-22T16:11:00.000+02:00I've never identified myself as Baltic. I don't re...<I>I've never identified myself as Baltic. I don't really see anything what we have in common with Lithuania except what we share as Europeans.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>It's funny, because I am reading several books on the histories of the formations of the Baltic States and Lithuania is always treated very differently. Poland is the big player there, and Lithuanian history gets tied up in Polish foreign objectives.<BR/><BR/>Latvia is really interesting because it was more industrialized so there was a greater connection to Bolshevism. They also seemed to have more of an anti-German edge - I guess the Baltic German elite was especially harsh of the Latvian people during their rule. Latvia was also the most important for the Russians and their Soviet government. From what I have read, it was their hope to retain Latvia as a Soviet country in 1918 so they could set it up as a model Western Soviet country and then export their ideology to Germany and Scandinavia.<BR/><BR/>In a way, you can see why Latvia is still seen as somehow "betraying" Russia in its current independence and Western orientation. [In current opinion polls, Latvia is seen as the greatest enemy of Russia]. Because there was genuine support for Bolshevism in Latvia and the Latvian Red Riflemen played a prominent role in the October Revolution. Latvia's Western reorientation then, in the eyes of current Russia, is a total rebuff to their great civilization. It shows that they are suffering from intellectually bankruptcy. Ouch. <BR/><BR/>The big player that these books omit is Finland, which should be included as much as Lithuania should be included. So many Estonian decisions were based on Finnish decisions - the decision, for example, to pursue full independence rather than national autonomy - is attributed to the Finnish decisions to do the same.<BR/><BR/>So the books wind up discussing Finnish internal politics at length even though they categorically try to separate them for the sake of it being a "Baltic"-focused history.<BR/><BR/>Kind of interesting.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158931723943030882006-09-22T15:28:00.000+02:002006-09-22T15:28:00.000+02:00as another Estonian I must say for me Estonia is d...as another Estonian I must say for me Estonia is definitely Nordic no matter what others think. IMO Finns are pretty much interchangeable with Ests. I feel right at home in Helsinki whenever I visit. As to other Nordic countries there are of course more differences, but Gotland is just like Saaremaa.<BR/><BR/>I've never identified myself as Baltic. I don't really see anything what we have in common with Lithuania except what we share as Europeans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158827218847219802006-09-21T11:26:00.000+03:002006-09-21T11:26:00.000+03:00Indeed, if Vormsi represented for speakers of Swed...Indeed, if Vormsi represented for speakers of Swedish some sort of utopia of an original Viking paradise, perhaps we could think of that island as the heart of Scandinavia that simply stopped beating in 1944.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158826765688895382006-09-21T11:19:00.000+03:002006-09-21T11:19:00.000+03:00Btw. is Estonian-Swedish the correct word for estl...Btw. is Estonian-Swedish the correct word for estlandssvensk? Or should I use Swedes of Estonia or something like that?<BR/><BR/>The problem is that in English the natural thing to say is something like "Italian American", meaning Americans of Italian origin. But in Swedish words like estlandssvensk (literally Estonia's Swede) mean Swedish-speakers in Estonia, finlandssvensk (literally Finland's Swede) mean Swedish-speakers in Finland and sverigefinsk (Sweden Finnish) is used of Finns in Sweden. Finns then use similar constructions like "vironruotsalainen" or "suomenruotsalainen" or "ruotsinsuomalainen" and Italian American is "amerikanitalialainen". I wonder if the Estonians also form words for minority nationalities like this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158826032998684112006-09-21T11:07:00.000+03:002006-09-21T11:07:00.000+03:00Vormsi is the place where the older Swedish cultur...Vormsi is the place where the older Swedish culture that has been lost was to be found. In Finland during the late 19th Century for Finnish-speaking artists the thing to do was to go to Russian Karelia to find the Finnish culture that had been lost. But the painter Beda Stjernschantz (1867-1910), one of the leading symbolists in Finland, a Swedish-speaker originally from Porvoo, came to Vormsi to paint in the 1890s. She was one of the artists fascinated with the authentic old Swedishness to be found there. She would paint Estonian-Swedish children in their traditional costumes. One famous painting is known as "Everywhere the Voice Invites Us" (Överallt en röst oss bjuder, 1895); it's featured in the Ateneum (Finnish National Gallery) home page in the "Age of Symbolism" section. The name Vormsi comes from Swedish "Ormsö" and it really sounds like it's named after some old-time Viking chief called Orm ("the snake").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158768202648095372006-09-20T19:03:00.000+03:002006-09-20T19:03:00.000+03:00Somebody told me that Germans of Germany view them...<I>Somebody told me that Germans of Germany view them as strange or different. Any Balto- or Germano-Germans here, do you sustain it? And is there a separate Balto-German identity?</I><BR/><BR/>I think what is true of them is true of all emigrant societies - they preserve an older version of the society while the 'parent' society moves on.<BR/><BR/>I am reading a book right now that focuses on the Estonian Swedes and how Swedish people see/saw them as 'Swedishness' saved in a bottle - representative of an older Swedish culture that has been lost.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Germans saw the Baltic Germans in the same manner.<BR/><BR/>In the US there is a great book about how 17th century England has influenced American culture, particularly the regions of the emigres and the impact it had on American regionalism.<BR/><BR/>For example, the southern 'genteel' planter society of the US was based on the lives of the English immigrants who settled there - many of whom were from the south of England and lived on large sprawling plantation-like estates.<BR/><BR/>So everytime you see an American president riding around on a horse at his 'ranch' you might be catching a glimpse of a 17th century English nobleman and the kinds of activities he would participate in. <BR/><BR/>Likewise, most of the settlers of New England came from the east of England. Here's a quick description:<BR/><BR/><I><BR/><B>1. New England</B>-the Puritans came from the East Anglia region of<BR/>England. They were pious, hardworking and intoxicated with theology and order.<BR/><B>2. The Middle Colonies</B>-the Quaker influence is profound in this region of Pennsylvania, Delaware and New Jersey. William Penn and the followers of the Quaker founder George Fox were the most liberal minded of the quartet of folk cultures chronicled by Fischer. The Quaker culture was influential in the southwest and midland counties of Britain. Their belief in religous tolerance has added much to American democracy.<BR/><B>3. The tidewider and coastal south</B> was settled by southern English natives who were Cavaliers supportive of the Stuart<BR/>dynasty. This society was hierarchial and based on honor and<BR/>fueled by chattel slavery.<BR/><B>4. the backcountry region</B> was settled by Englishmen from the northern border region of England, Scotland and Ulster Scotch-Irish. Exemplified by such paragons of this violent and emotional culture were men like Andrew Jackson and James Knox Polk. Composed of Hoosiers and Rednecks, Crackers and doughty pioneers this society believed in individual freedom.</I>Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158705674447521972006-09-20T01:41:00.000+03:002006-09-20T01:41:00.000+03:00There was once in a Vikerkaar, few years ago, an a...There was once in a Vikerkaar, few years ago, an article from a Frenchman - I guess it was Minaudier, if not him, then another estophile Frenchman - who described his first arrival to Estonia. He knew it was an ex-Soviet country and anticipated bearded muzhiks and onion-domed churches. In the plane, he sat next to a guy who turned out to be an Estonian and explained him, that no, Estonians are not Slavic; they belong to Finno-Ugrian language family instead (in this point, the French guy thought his conversation partner was a linguist, but to his astonishment he turned out to be physicist or sth similar) and are related to people like Lapps, Finnish, Mordvin, and distantly even Samoyedic nations. The Frenchman felt frustrated for his onion domes and bearded muzhiks, but soon he lightenened up to the thought: great, I'm going to see reindeers! And can you imagine his final disappointment when he stepped out of the plane and, as he says "I found myself in... Germany":P<BR/>After all, as he said, for most of Frenchmen, those beyond Rhein are all Germans. Specially if they are quiet blonde people with impossibly complex grammar.<BR/><BR/>His disappointment was of passing kind, however: soon he realised that he has found a Germany that doesn't exist anymore in actual Germany; that even some German stereotypes that have long gone in German motherland still continue to exsist. He noticed also a kind of self-irony in Estonians that he had not encountered in Germans.<BR/><BR/>And of course, he learned that Estonians will forever angrily argue that they are anything but Germans. Thus he started a very interesting train of thought about what identities are based on.<BR/><BR/>This leads to another intriguing question: Balto-Germans. Somebody told me that Germans of Germany view them as strange or different. Any Balto- or Germano-Germans here, do you sustain it? And is there a separate Balto-German identity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158703159659511522006-09-20T00:59:00.000+03:002006-09-20T00:59:00.000+03:00Actually, the big difference between Denmark, Norw...Actually, the big difference between Denmark, Norway, and Sweden and Finland and Estonia - I think - was the number of immigrants from the Middle East and Africa.<BR/><BR/>In Copenhagen, Oslo, and Stockholm, I couldn't walk two streets without bumping into some guy from Turkey trying to sell me a doner kebab. But that didn't happen in Finland. I think I saw one Somalian person while I was there. And I was there for 30 days.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if Finland is just not the cool place to immigrate to, but there seemed to be considerably less immigrants there. And the immigrants I saw in Helsinki - you'll love this - were Russian babushkas selling vegetables and fruits.<BR/><BR/>In Denmark, I think something like 9 percent of the population is foreign -born. In some ways it was very similar to other Western European countries like Holland and Belgium in that way. <BR/><BR/>In Finland, the girls who worked at the Indian restuarant in Helsinki I went to had blonde hair and blue eyes ;)<BR/><BR/>Also, the buildings in Helsinki - even the apartment blocks - looked similar to what they have in Tallinn, including those from the Soviet period. It's like the Finns just had better designed and built Soviet dormitories. In Central Helsinki it was the same - huge dark concrete buildings.<BR/><BR/>When I went to Finland after having visited the traditional Scandinavian countries, I did feel that I wasn't really in the "West" anymore. I thought I felt like I was in a slavic country, but I didn't feel that either. It was this strange middle feeling - a true border zone feeling.<BR/><BR/>I think that's why Finns and Estonians screw so many people up. People are like, "Well where the hell am I exactly?!"Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158697379122249202006-09-19T23:22:00.000+03:002006-09-19T23:22:00.000+03:00To add more controversy - when I am in society of ...To add more controversy - when I am in society of Swedes, Brits, Germans and Finns, then I definitely feel a sense of closeness to Finns, and I have heard that the same applies in other way round - fellow Estonians have told me that in international conferences both Latvians and Finnish tend to keep close to Estonians. Like choosing places in dinner table and whom to go to city tour with etc.<BR/>So, maybe we really are midway between Nordic and Baltic.<BR/><BR/>Following is more genetical than cultural but I once heard about a research of some kind of antibodies or something else in blood... anyway, Estonians seemed to be a crossroad of all neighbouring blood types - all of them that can be found in North-West Russia, Latvia, Finland, even Sweden, can be found in Estonia too, but usually they don't go any further. So, there are Latvian-like blood types here that do not exist in Finland and Finnish-like blood-types that do not exist in Latvia and Russian-like blood types that do not exist further West and vice versa.<BR/>A melting pot, I'd say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158696838127442832006-09-19T23:13:00.000+03:002006-09-19T23:13:00.000+03:00Well, I, being an Estonian, feel Northern-Baltic m...Well, I, being an Estonian, feel Northern-Baltic mostly and tend to view Latvians as most similar to us - every time I have been there I don't have this "foreign" feeling that I have in Finland. And when Latvians speak, it sounds like Estonian, but one I hardly can understand (which is a shame of course, I should learn some Latvian at least.) Listening long to Latvian talk, I even got the feeling that I understand - what the talk is about basically and so on. The intonation and communication models, even mimics are SO homely there. It is as if we were one nation, speaking two tongues by chance (and historically we quite are.)<BR/><BR/>Consider that during nearly all the historical times, conditions have been the same in Latvian and Estonian territory. German landlords and heavy influence from them, both on languages and customs (in this we differ from Finns)? Check. Hanseatic towns? Check. Never had an independent country before 1918? (in this we differ from Lithuanians) Check. Lutheran christianity since 16.-17. century? (again, difference from Lithuanians) Check. Even Swedish power in 17th century reached further south than just nowadays Estonia. So, even this time the bordeline between Nordic, lutheran power and Central European catholic power (Poland) ran in the middle on nowadays Latvia, not along todays Estonian-Latvian border. A bit earlier, late 16th- early 17th c., the same borderline ran between North and South Estonia. But nothing of this seems to have had very long-living influence. After all, local landlords remained German - or at least German-speaking - all the time. Even in Swedish and later, in Russian empire, this marked a difference between Estonia-Livonia-Latvia, from one part, and Finland-Korelia, from the other.<BR/><BR/>Huh... if you look at traditional costume, you are to find similarities with Latvian costumes too, not only with Swedish of Finnish. And those song festivals that we claim to be so Estonian, well, Latvians have them too. Such things were very popular in all German-dominated areas, we are just ones who have preserved them.<BR/><BR/>Sure, we have something common with Finnish too, even besides grammar and great part of vocabulary. We are definitely more similar to Finnish than Latvians are (and Latvians more similar to Lithuanians than we are). Nevertheless, when I am in Finland, I feel like a tourist and nobody would mistake me for a Finnish. I like Finns, I am in love with Finnish literature and films (and have read shamefully little of Latvian literature), but it is still kind of foreign to me.<BR/><BR/>KülliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158664674637652282006-09-19T14:17:00.000+03:002006-09-19T14:17:00.000+03:00Estonian government had three (?) times applied fo...<I>Estonian government had three (?) times applied for membership in Nordic Council. And results? All these applications have been rejected.</I><BR/><BR/>It's all about money and bureaucracy.<BR/><BR/>It would be a real coup for Estonia if they actually accepted. Right now Estonia is party of the Baltic Assembly, and has been for 15 years. Something it tells me it will take an awfully long time for Sven Svenson to change anything in the Nordic Council's bureaucracy. <BR/><BR/>Yet then again, Svenson just threw out the social democrats and chose a center:right alliance to govern Sweden. Right wing politicians in northern Europe tend to think the sun rises in Ida-Virumaa because of the Estonian flat tax. <BR/><BR/>So who knows. Estonia probably wasn't ready to join the alliance of blonde snobs in 1999 or 2002. <BR/><BR/>They may have to get wealthier before they are allowed to enter the cross country club. <BR/><BR/>Let's check back in about 10 years.Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158661272400424102006-09-19T13:21:00.000+03:002006-09-19T13:21:00.000+03:00Estonian government had three (?) times applied fo...Estonian government had three (?) times applied for membership in Nordic Council. And results? All these applications have been rejected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158590780681453692006-09-18T17:46:00.000+03:002006-09-18T17:46:00.000+03:00Estonia is not unambigously Nordic country. Estoni...<I>Estonia is not unambigously Nordic country. Estonia is in this zone, where Central Europe ends and North Europe begins.</I><BR/><BR/>Different parts of it seem more 'Nordic' than others. For example, the islands - Saaremaa, Hiiumaa, and the north coast all seem very 'Nordic', but south Estonia has a bit of a Central European touch - the German influence seems stronger there.<BR/><BR/>Denmark is similarly ambiguous. It's Scandinavia, but there are no reindeer there. And what's Scandinavia without some reindeer???Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158562467416681122006-09-18T09:54:00.000+03:002006-09-18T09:54:00.000+03:00Estonia is not unambigously Nordic country. Estoni...Estonia is not unambigously Nordic country. Estonia is in this zone, where Central Europe ends and North Europe beginsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158498525713367072006-09-17T16:08:00.000+03:002006-09-17T16:08:00.000+03:00Carl Bildt thinks so - from the most recent The Ec...Carl Bildt thinks so - from the most recent <I>The Economist</I>:<BR/><BR/><I>Mr Bildt puts forward his own tongue-in-cheek recipe for the perfect “Nordic model”, stretching the geography: Finland's education, Estonia's progressive tax policy, Denmark's labour market, Iceland's entrepreneurship, Sweden's management of big companies and Norway's oil. The right conclusion, in other words, is that it is wisest not to look for a single-country model at all, but just to take best practice wherever you find it.</I>Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13406351.post-1158479688124891962006-09-17T10:54:00.000+03:002006-09-17T10:54:00.000+03:00IT people about "nordic" Estonia:http://redcouch.t...IT people about "nordic" Estonia:<BR/>http://redcouch.typepad.com/weblog/2006/07/ross_mayfield_o.htmlJens-Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18304784095687896639noreply@blogger.com